*IMO* Its the hope... the story.. the inability to cope with
the OFF button; I believe when we die, we die. 'We' don't
anything anymore... no looking down @ our body, no going to
the next life, no party in the sky nor turmoil in a world of
I leave all the stories where they should go; a bookshelf. I
grew up a ministers child, so I'm knowledgable about the
beliefs - but take a much more scientific approach to
existance.

Your key words above: "I believe.." intrigue me. What do you base that belief o n?

Some actual scientists have reported their concerns:

When its time to go, thats it man...

Maybe not.

My beliefs, I think, come from a [childhood] lifetime of pressure to become ordained.... in my family, it was simple- become a minister and preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. Period. I wasn't taught taxes, I wasn't taught other ways to have a career; I was only pressured in every sense to become the same as my Grandparents and Parents.

I love my Parents more than anyone in this world... their choices weren't
bad- they ended up great people, and lived a good honest clean life. However, during that childhood I saw the good, bad and ugly of Christian living. How
the church if filled with fake followers [at least some of their time], hypocritical living and just downright single-track acceptance.

This didn't set well with me, and even before I formed my beliefs about life
I knew that Christianity and faith teaching would never be for me.

If anything, I could consider spirituality or 'whats next' if there was one ounce of proof or... reason that it could be true. IMO, the overwhelming
truth is that there isn't any scientific reasoning behind the tall tales that the bible sells to the masses. In fact, just simple deduction and reasoning [again, in my opinion] makes the choice so easy. Its hard to think of the
end. It sucks to not have a tomorrow. Christianity, the bible, isn't the only religion in the world - but every single religion describes the same God, punishment and miracle-talk. I've never witnessed a miracle. I've seen plenty of wonderful happenings; people who should be gone and aren't... but just
think that they can all be explain thru science and reasoning.

The vast amounts of faith the bible asks us to have, thru stories that
couldn't possibly be true [in MY reasoning] just totally aligns with ALL of
the different religions have created the same thing: Something for their societies to hold onto, so they don't have to die.

I just believe thats what it is... I don't want to fake myself out, I want to live my best life while I'm HERE. I believe that many many people are gone
now - GONE - and they spent their lives not living it.. having faith in something invisible, without any scientific reasoning whatsoever.

You ending sentance; maybe not... I cannot even wrap my head around how one [more specifically, ME] could even make that statement. Everything I've experienced or seen in the flesh shows me that the end is the end. Our dogs go.. and have never came back. To me, anyway...

These are tough topics - and not one that can sway the opposite opinion...



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Re: Re: Afterlife
By: Ogg to Moondog on Fri Sep 11 2020 10:55 pm

On 9/11/2020 12:17 AM, between "Moondog":

I would've liked to see the face of the first theologian
that was asked about sitatuations such as being devoured by
piranhas or having their body being picked clean by
nightwatch beetles. Would you really want to rise and return
to the earth with whatever was left of your body?

Where do you get the idea that one would rise/return "with whatever was left

Early Jewish beliefs. Hell was a concept absorbed when the Greeks began adopting Christianity. Early Jewish faiths did not have a Hades underworld concept, and their words that were mistaken as going to hell only implied bein g put under the ground until a later time you will rise and walk again on
the earth.

Some American Indian beliefs are similar, in which mutilating your enemies' bodies will result in them being unable to wage war, hunt, or enjoy their
wives when they pass over to the next world. After Little Big horn, Tom Brody's body was so mutilated he was only recognizable by a tattoo.

In different parts of the world. being placed face down upon death would prevent your soul from leaving your body.

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Re: Afterlife
By: The Millionaire to All on Thu Sep 10 2020 03:00 pm

We will all reach our destination sooner or later in life but are you looking forward to living in the afterlife when you leave the Earth forever? Do you even believe in life after death?

no. There is no evidence of any such thing.

At least you can be a
ghost and haunt people. That must be fun, I guess.

No, that would imply "life after death". that's not a thing.

If you choose
cremation, your body gets burned, otherwise you get buried in a coffin and rot instead.

Cremate me, and shoot me into space. that would be nice.

DaiTengu

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On 9/12/2020 3:32 PM, between "Moondog":

Early Jewish beliefs. Hell was a concept absorbed when..

Some American Indian beliefs are similar, in which..

In different parts of the world. being placed face down upon
death would prevent your soul from leaving your body.

OK.. So you were just being sarcastic considering that there are a variety of different ideas out there?

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On 9/13/2020 2:18 AM, between "DaiTengu":

Cremate me, and shoot me into space. that would be nice.

I am sure there would be an enterprising company that would be happy to fleece you for 6-figures to do that. But then you would never know if they kept their end of the deal.

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On 9/11/2020 6:36 PM, between "paulie420":

My beliefs, I think, come from a [childhood] lifetime of
pressure to become ordained.... in my family, it was simple-

Wow. You packed a lot of information in there.

Family pressure can sure be the worst feeling of restricted living. I am sure that it was a bit tough to share it.

..However, during that childhood I saw
the good, bad and ugly of Christian living..

And you would not be the first.

...I knew that Christianity and faith
teaching would never be for me.

You recognized that the examples of life that you saw labeled as Christian living were not consistent with what you hoped to find based on certain teachings. Humanity is flawed. No one disputes that.

If anything, I could consider spirituality or 'whats next'
if there was one ounce of proof or... reason that it could
be true. IMO, the overwhelming truth is that there isn't any
scientific reasoning behind the tall tales that the bible..

Science is about replicating some proof in a lab. The writings in the Bible have nothing to do with science. However, many accounts are verified by archeology, for example.

The bible has been studied for centuries. Are people just suddenly supposed to disregard the record just because some layman in 2020 says "tall tales"?

The ideas behind quantum theories, string theories, the "scientific" ideas behind alternate realities sound pretty wacky too. Much of that hasn't been even proven.

..- but every single religion describes the same
God, punishment and miracle-talk.

Just a couple of examples to counter that claim:

Hinduism = so many variances from one god, yet acknowledging thousands of others; its concept of God is complex and depends upon each individual and the tradition and philosophy followed.

Buddhism = no god, really; more like a belief in a state of being.

Need I compare others? So your statement "every single religion" does not fit the reality of just the two faiths mentioned above.

...I
believe that many many people are gone now - GONE - and they
spent their lives not living it.. having faith in something
invisible, without any scientific reasoning whatsoever.

Having faith in something that the bible describes doesn't mean you have to give up life. Faith gives a certain understanding of hope and meaning to life.

Everything I've experienced or seen in the flesh
shows me that the end is the end. Our dogs go.. and have
never came back. To me, anyway...

Many scientists, doctors and other highly educated people ponder the same things and come to opposite conclusions.

These are tough topics - and not one that can sway the
opposite opinion...

Yep. Tough for many. Even for those people still figuring things out. There are however, many examples of people swaying in those thoughts through life. It's an individual journey. It is up to you to decide what to think. It is called free will.

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Re: Re: Afterlife
By: Ogg to Moondog on Sun Sep 13 2020 10:53 pm

On 9/12/2020 3:32 PM, between "Moondog":

Early Jewish beliefs. Hell was a concept absorbed when..

Some American Indian beliefs are similar, in which..

In different parts of the world. being placed face down upon
death would prevent your soul from leaving your body.

OK.. So you were just being sarcastic considering that there are a variety

Yes, but you have to wonder if that question came up. If you got tattoos in life, would they carry over to the afterlife? How about a broken leg? Would someone who has autism or Down's Syndrome also have it in the afterlife? If you return to walk the earth, is your new body and brain free of the defects
or abnormalities that define you?

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Re: Re: Afterlife
By: Ogg to DaiTengu on Sun Sep 13 2020 10:58 pm

On 9/13/2020 2:18 AM, between "DaiTengu":

Cremate me, and shoot me into space. that would be nice.

I am sure there would be an enterprising company that would be happy to flee

Gene Roddenberry's ashes were launched into space along with several hundred other's ashed aboard a former Soviet ICBM. I heard on the radio another company was going one step further and sending ashes to the moon. I'm not
sure a rocket previously designed to spew warheads over several cities would have the ability to break orbit and head to the moon.

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On 9/14/2020 2:20 AM, between "Moondog": Ogg

OK.. So you were just being sarcastic ...

Yes, but you have to wonder if that question came up. If
you got tattoos in life, would they carry over to the
afterlife? How about a broken leg? Would someone who has
autism or Down's Syndrome also have it in the afterlife? If
you return to walk the earth, is your new body and brain
free of the defects or abnormalities that define you?

Surprisingly, the Bible provides a pretty good idea what happens.

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Re: Re: Afterlife
By: Ogg to DaiTengu on Sun Sep 13 2020 10:58 pm

Cremate me, and shoot me into space. that would be nice.

I am sure there would be an enterprising company that would be happy to fleece you for 6-figures to do that. But then you would never know if they kept their end of the deal.

It's actually not that expensive, anymore, apprarently.

DaiTengu

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Re: Re: Afterlife
By: Ogg to Moondog on Mon Sep 14 2020 06:42 pm

Surprisingly, the Bible provides a pretty good idea what happens.

Norse Mythology gives a great description of Valhalla, Greek Mythology has lots of descriptions of Hades and Mt. Olympus. Sikhism, Buddhism, Hinduism, all describe the wheel and reincarnation in depth.

Which one is right? And why?

DaiTengu

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On 17/09/2020 1:49 a.m., DaiTengu wrote:

Surprisingly, the Bible provides a pretty good idea what
happens.

Norse Mythology gives a great description of Valhalla,
Greek Mythology has lots of descriptions of Hades and Mt.
Olympus. Sikhism, Buddhism, Hinduism, all describe the
wheel and reincarnation in depth.

First of all, the term mythology gives a pretty good clue what it
is. ;) I personally have a problem with reincarnation; the
premise does not explain an expanding population.

Which one is right? And why?

Your best bet is to engage a scholar or a pastor on those topics.

We as layman, can only continue to wonder about such things and
would never be satisfied with anything.

I have studied world religions as extra courses in university. I
have bombarded ministers, pastors and scholars with many questions
in ensuing years.

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Re: Re: Afterlife
By: Ogg to DaiTengu on Sun Sep 20 2020 12:51 pm

Norse Mythology gives a great description of Valhalla,
Greek Mythology has lots of descriptions of Hades and Mt.
Olympus. Sikhism, Buddhism, Hinduism, all describe the
wheel and reincarnation in depth.

First of all, the term mythology gives a pretty good clue what it
is. ;) I personally have a problem with reincarnation; the
premise does not explain an expanding population.

Christianity is often referred to to as "Christian Mythology" whene speaking in these terms, too.

DaiTengu

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On 21/09/2020 12:04 a.m., DaiTengu wrote:

First of all, the term mythology gives a pretty good clue
what it is. I personally have a problem with
reincarnation; the premise does not explain an expanding
population.

Christianity is often referred to to as "Christian
Mythology" whene speaking in these terms, too.

I would challenge the "often referred" part. ;) I don't hear that
in mainstream or among the academia.

There are elements that later practices have adopted based on
mythologies and mysticism in outlying ideas, but I wouldn't classify Christianity as 100% mythology.

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Re: Re: Afterlife
By: Ogg to DaiTengu on Mon Sep 21 2020 12:22 pm

On 21/09/2020 12:04 a.m., DaiTengu wrote:

First of all, the term mythology gives a pretty good clue
what it is. I personally have a problem with
reincarnation; the premise does not explain an expanding
population.

Christianity is often referred to to as "Christian
Mythology" whene speaking in these terms, too.

I would challenge the "often referred" part. ;) I don't hear that
in mainstream or among the academia.

There are elements that later practices have adopted based on
mythologies and mysticism in outlying ideas, but I wouldn't classify Christianity as 100% mythology.

The only reason why Christainity isn't referred to in the same way is becaus Christianity spread by stamping oput other faiths as being "false" religions.
Odinism, what the Norse originally referred to as they Old Way, was called hedonism by the Christians. Hedonism and "heathen" activities were shamed
and pushed out of existience except in the form of myth and legend.

Saint Patrick didn't chase snakes out of Ireland. He ousted the last of the Druids.

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Re: Re: Afterlife
By: DaiTengu to Ogg on Thu Sep 17 2020 12:49 am

Surprisingly, the Bible provides a pretty good idea what happens.

Norse Mythology gives a great description of Valhalla, Greek Mythology has lots of descriptions of Hades and Mt. Olympus. Sikhism, Buddhism, Hinduism, all describe the wheel and reincarnation in depth.

Which one is right? And why?

Of course Christianity is a myth, it just happens to be the one myth which is true.

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Re: Re: Afterlife
By: Andeddu to DaiTengu on Fri Dec 04 2020 09:03:33

Of course Christianity is a myth, it just happens to be the one myth which is true.

Ah, so you've seen proof (as opposed to faith, which is, by definition, not provable). I'd love to hear it. :)

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