What was your most beautiful BBS
experience in modern timesÄlet's say,
within the last 10 years or so? One
where you'd say, "Good thing those old
BBS dinosaurs are still around here
and there!"
I've had many truly amazing
experiences...
Like receiving great hardware donations
from Snobsoft (my BBS) users. But the
most recent event with my Australian BBS
video (see Ads Section) is something I
find particularly awesome right now. In
the Australian video about SX-64 user
Troy Duncan, I start off, among other
things, with a music video from Men At
Work ("Down Under"). And what does Troy
tell me? The guitarist from Men At Work
lives on his street! What an incredible
coincidence.
I'm still grinning about it.
Alright, now it's your turn! :D
I would say simply finding out they are still active, and that there is an active community...
I didn't get too involved back when I first uses BBS's in the 90s, as I was young, still in school...
they are still active, and that there is an active community. Being
able to talk to SysOps, exchange information and learn. I didn't get
too involved back when I first uses BBS's in the 90s, as I was young,
still in school, so a bit wary about sending mail to random people.
Stranger danger and all that, and I didn't want to run up bills...
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experience
By: BoraxMan to All on Sun Apr 27 2025 02:11 am
they are still active, and that there is an active community. Being
able to talk to SysOps, exchange information and learn. I didn't get
too involved back when I first uses BBS's in the 90s, as I was young,
still in school, so a bit wary about sending mail to random people.
Stranger danger and all that, and I didn't want to run up bills...
i actually had a user who was a perv and trying to send young boys msgs
in the doorgames. he didn't go far enough to make it reportable. i
just got him kicked off most of the bbses. ---
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS
experience
By: BoraxMan to All on Sun
Apr 27 2025 02:11:30
I would say simply finding out they are still active, and that there is an active community...
Awww, that was gonna be my reply. Oh well, ditto that!
I didn't get too involved back when I first uses BBS's in the 90s, as I was young, still in school...
I had been in to it since about '86-'87, in my 20s and on my own for
the first time. The boards were a good source of info of what was
going on around me. And as cool as it is to have BBSes still around,
that local aspect doesn't exist anymore since every BBS is worldwoide these days. That's what I miss.
I remember once, can't remember which board, but I uploaded a file. The file was the DOS game Bananoid. I can't remember whether I was using Zmodem or Xmodem, but the file got uploaded with the filename "UPLOAD", which was obviously wrong. All subsequent files that anyone tried to upload, automatically got the name "UPLOAD", then it failed because there was already an
existing file. I thought I broke the BBS!
By: BoraxMan to All on Sun Apr 27
2025 02:11:30
I would say simply finding out
they
are still active, and that there
is
an active community...
And as cool as it is to
have BBSes still around, that local
aspect doesn't exist anymore since
every BBS is worldwoide these days.
That's what I miss.
Quoting Mortar to Boraxman <=-
I had been in to it since about '86-'87, in my 20s and on my own for
the first time. The boards were a good source of info of what was
going on around me. And as cool as it is to have BBSes still around,
that local aspect doesn't exist anymore since every BBS is worldwoide these days. That's what I miss.
Eesh! I do kind of wish I did engage more "socially" on BBS's back then. My focus was file sharing (yes, i did upload too!). I chatted once or twice, but most BBS's only had one line, and I thought FidoNet was a subscription
Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experience
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS
experience
By: Mortar to BoraxMan on
Sun Apr 27 2025 10:27 am
By: BoraxMan to Allon Sun Apr 27
2025 02:11:30
I would say simply finding out
they
are still active, and that there
is
an active community...
Finding Synchronet, where I'm
of course writing right now, was
also very cool for me. This is a
really nice combination of
old-school (as it's a BBS) and
modern elements (like being able
to post worldwide here, for example).
And as cool as it is to
have BBSes still around, that local
aspect doesn't exist anymore since
every BBS is worldwoide these days.
That's what I miss.
Yes, I miss the local aspect a lot
too, even though that sounds like a
contradiction to what I just wrote
above. Hey, unfortunately, it's no
longer 1985¡we can't change that.
Exactly¡I also come from that BBS
era.
What I also would describe as a super
cool moment for me was when
The 8-Bit Guy suddenly showed up
in my BBS.
I would say simply finding out
they are still active, and that
there
is an active community. Being
able to talk to SysOps, exchange
information and learn. I didn't get
too involved back when I first uses
BBS's in the 90s, as I was young,
still in school, so a bit wary about
sending mail to random people.
Stranger danger and all that, and I
didn't want to run up bills...
The 8-Bit Guy suddenly showed up
in my BBS.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Mon Apr 28 2025 10:56 am
Eesh! I do kind of wish I did engage more "socially" on BBS's back then. My focus was file sharing (yes, i did upload too!). I chatted once or twice, but most BBS's only had one line, and I thought FidoNet was a subscription
those were good times back then. entirely differnet than what we have
now.
and with fidonet if you carried it you were expected to pay to recoup
the cost of operation. ie long distance bills, phone bills. atleast in
my area they wanted you to do that. ---
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experie
By: Snobsoft to Mortar on
Mon Apr 28 2025 11:33 am
Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS experience
Mine would definitely have to be the first time that I managed to
download a file from a BBS whose name has sadly been lost in the mists
of time.
At the time all I had was a 14.4 PCMCIA modem hooked up to a crippled laptop running DOS 6 from a floppy drive and a hard drive with >100 MB free. And I could only run it in the dead of night when my parents were fast asleep.
But the realization that I could "reach out and grab something" at the
age of 12, was absolutely nothing short of WONDEROUS. I remembered
staring at that screen with my heartbeat going wild for quite some time
as my brain grappled with the sheer possibilities.
Being a lifelong nerd has its benefits, and that was one of them.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern BBS
experience
By: BoraxMan to All on Sun
Apr 27 2025 02:11 am
I would say simply finding out
they are still active, and that
there
is an active community. Being
able to talk to SysOps, exchange
information and learn. I didn't get
too involved back when I first uses
BBS's in the 90s, as I was young,
still in school, so a bit wary about
sending mail to random people.
Stranger danger and all that, and I
didn't want to run up bills...
Basically, for me, it's fascinating
to relive (because it's not quite
the same as it used to be) what it's
like to be a Sysop today. During my
BBS days (from 1985 to around the
early 90s), I was "just" a user,
including on Snobsoft, which I now
manage.
Back then (at least I assume so¡I
wasn't a Sysop), as well as today, you
meet lots of nice and helpful people
through it, which is very enjoyable.
Maintaining the BBS, however, isn't
always that much fun (at least not for
me). But not everything can be perfect.
BTW: Initially, I didn't want to be a
Sysop after completing the project of
bringing the BBS back online after
almost 40 years of hiatus. Having
invested two years of work into it, I
was somewhat drained, and then Sysop
with all the aforementioned tinkering?
No¡I didn't really want that at first.
But after some time of rejecting the
idea, I quickly realized that the
positive and interesting aspects
outweighed the downsides. So I accepted
that I'm now basically the Sysop
(and nobody else wanted the role
anyway).
The interesting aspects included, for
example, the fact that without the BBS
project, I would never have landed in
this BBS (Partybowl) or in Synchronet.
I also find this very cool. No spam,
and somehow you still get the feeling
of genuine online freedom with an
80s/90s vibe, etc. I also like the
straightforward functionality (once
you've adapted to it). The flashy
modern internet isn't necessarily
faster.
One memory, not that good is my mum telling me that my Dad was trying to call from the Melbourne Cricket Ground to arrange a life back home after going to a football game, and not getting through. I had been on a BBS. More than one this causes issues with the phone line tied up.
Call waiting kind of helped, kind of hurt. It stuffed up the call, but at least I could tell someone wanted to call.
I do NOT miss that! Always having in the back of your mind that someone might really need to call, and cant get through because youre playing some door game, or chatting to a friend modem-to-modem.
and with fidonet if you carried it
you
were expected to pay to recoup the
cost
of operation. ie long distance
bills,
phone bills. atleast in my area they
wanted you to do that.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Boraxman on Mon Apr 28 2025 06:24 pm
and with fidonet if you carried it you
were expected to pay to recoup the cost
of operation. ie long distance bills,
phone bills. atleast in my area they wanted you to do that.
Regarding Fido, I was always "just"
a user and saw it from the early
1990s on as a kind of similarly
cool continuation of the BBS era.
I was into Fido until about 1995/96, and then the internet arrived.
Was it a different experience to what BBSs are now? In terms of the social stuff...
Mine would definitely have to be the
first time that I managed to
download a
file from a BBS whose name has sadly
been lost in the mists of time.
At the time all I had was a 14.4
PCMCIA
modem hooked up to a crippled laptop
running DOS 6 from a floppy drive
and a
hard drive with >100 MB free. And I
could only run it in the dead of
night
when my parents were fast asleep.
But the realization that I could
"reach
out and grab something" at the age
of
12, was absolutely nothing short of
WONDEROUS. I remembered staring at
that
screen with my heartbeat going wild
for
quite some time as my brain grappled
with the sheer possibilities.
Being a lifelong nerd has its
benefits,
and that was one of them.
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Was it a different experience to what BBSs are now? In terms of the social stuff...
There used to be a much more varied group of people to have discussions with. I can actually remember when you could tell what network message area you were in because the posters were different from one network to another. Now it is mostly the same group in multiple networks.
I think the lack of memories from the
300 baud days in the 1980s is probably
because, for one, the phone costs were
way too expensive here in Germany back
then for download stuff. And secondly,
Shame, as I would like to speak to a broad range of people. It seem Reddit has become THE big "discussion" forum, with a huge ranger of sub-reddits that you can join. But the website sucks balls bad and it seems to have a very "Liberal"
bent and a bit of an echo chamber. Reddit Terminal Viewer makes reddit palatable. AT least its accessible easy over the phone. But there is
What I also would describe as a
super
cool moment for me was when
The 8-Bit Guy suddenly showed
up
in my BBS.
That was cool for 8-Bit Guy to make
BBS's more known.
To be honest, I
think Usenet is the 'perfect'
combination of old school technology
and worldwide communication. Even a
local NNTP server, combined with IRC
maybe shared file area, still a bit
better than the BBS, as you can use
your own editor with a Usenet
client.
why are you formatting your text
like that?
Granted, you can do that here to, if
you download a QWK packet and use
something like MultiMail, like I am
now, but its additional steps
The 8-Bit Guy suddenly showed up
in my BBS.
He got on mine, but only once :).
Agreed, kinda cool.
I think the lack of memories from
the
300 baud days in the 1980s is
probably
because, for one, the phone costs
were
way too expensive here in Germany
back
then for download stuff. And
secondly,
They were very expensive here in the
US too.
I had to explain to my wife
every
month why the phone bill (normally
$30/month) was now running 500-600
$/month. For this reason, I have a
very good memory of this period of
time. (Downloading at 300 baud.)
Starting the BBS up in Jan 1984
actually made my phone bills go down
after that since now people were
uploading files to me on their
nickel.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on Tue Apr 29 2025 08:04 am
Granted, you can do that here to, if
you download a QWK packet and use
something like MultiMail, like I am
now, but its additional steps
Yeah, the QWK stuff (I had almost forgotten about it until I found an option for it in the Partybowl BBS) was also really, really cool.
There used to be a much more varied group of people to have discussions
with. I can actually remember when you could tell what network message
area you were in because the posters were different from one network to
another. Now it is mostly the same group in multiple networks.
I've noticed that with Usenet as well. I'll post on a variety of sections, then
I'll see similar names up in Politics as I did in the Linux groups. I'm seeing now that Usenet is a much smaller world after all.
Reddit has become THE big "discussion" forum, with a huge ranger of sub-reddits that you can join. But the website sucks balls bad and it seems to have a very "Liberal"
bent and a bit of an echo chamber. Reddit Terminal Viewer makes reddit
And one thing I've noticed on Reddit sometimes is that some users seem to refer to Reddit as "this app" - maybe they tend to use the smartphone app most of the time and think of it that way.. Really, Reddit is an internet site and of course, can be viewed with a web browser or their app.
There used to be a much more varied group of people to have discussions with. I can actually remember when you could tell what network message area you were in because the posters were different from one network to another. Now it is mostly the same group in multiple networks.
I've noticed that with Usenet as well. I'll post on a variety of sections, then
I'll see similar names up in Politics as I did in the Linux groups. I'm seein
now that Usenet is a much smaller world after all.
Shame, as I would like to speak to a broad range of people. It seem Reddit ha
become THE big "discussion" forum, with a huge ranger of sub-reddits that you can join. But the website sucks balls bad and it seems to have a very "Liberal"
bent and a bit of an echo chamber. Reddit Terminal Viewer makes reddit palatable. AT least its accessible easy over the phone. But there is something
I don't like about ONE company having such control. The other discussion forums
are good, but single purpose (ie, specifically about computers, or gaming). Maybe I'll check out Matrix.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Snobsoft on Wed Apr 30 2025 01:14 pm
why are you formatting your text like that?
For my C64 :D
To be fair, Reddit does everything they can to pretend that the website doesn't exist. Whenever you dare to go their site, it's all "are you sure you want to use this terrible browser thing, why don't you download this mobile app so upi can't use an adblocker".
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on Thu May 01 2025 08:02 am
Shame, as I would like to speak to a broad range of people. It seem Reddit has become THE big "discussion" forum, with a huge ranger of sub-reddits that you can join. But the website sucks balls bad and it seems to have a very "Liberal"
bent and a bit of an echo chamber. Reddit Terminal Viewer makes reddit palatable. AT least its accessible easy over the phone. But there is
reddit is real shitty and it's mostly liberals. they also have bots
that downvote people into oblivion . i havent seen that in a while, though.
it's basically ahole liberal nazis.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on
Tue Apr 29 2025 08:04 am
What I also would describe as a
super
cool moment for me was when
The 8-Bit Guy suddenly showed
up
in my BBS.
That was cool for 8-Bit Guy to make
BBS's more known.
Absolutely!
To be honest, I
think Usenet is the 'perfect'
combination of old school technology
and worldwide communication. Even a
local NNTP server, combined with IRC
maybe shared file area, still a bit
better than the BBS, as you can use
your own editor with a Usenet
client.
You're giving me ideas! They still exist? I'll definitely check them
out. What would you recommend for getting (back) into it? A specific program?
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Snobsoft on Wed
Apr 30 2025 01:14 pm
why are you formatting your text
like that?
For my C64 :D
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There used to be a much more varied group of people to have discussions with. I can actually remember when you could tell what network message area you were in because the posters were different from one network to another. Now it is mostly the same group in multiple networks.
I've noticed that with Usenet as well. I'll post on a variety of sections, then
I'll see similar names up in Politics as I did in the Linux groups. I'm
now that Usenet is a much smaller world after all.
The Usenet I really loved was the one where it seemed like folks from everywhere... often but not always colleges... were on there. I was
about to be/fresh out of college during that time and there were always
a lot of variety in discussions and viewpoints.
Shame, as I would like to speak to a broad range of people. It seem Redditha
become THE big "discussion" forum, with a huge ranger of sub-reddits thatyou
can join. But the website sucks balls bad and it seems to have a very "Liberal"
bent and a bit of an echo chamber. Reddit Terminal Viewer makes reddit palatable. AT least its accessible easy over the phone. But there is something
I don't like about ONE company having such control. The other discussion forums
are good, but single purpose (ie, specifically about computers, or gaming). Maybe I'll check out Matrix.
Yeah, I don't like it as much when one company has control. As for the bent, that may depend on what groups you are reading but I am not too surprised.
The worst thing is, that Reddit is often one of the only good sources, or reasonable source of answers to questions. Google's search results are bad, DuckDuckGo not much better. IF you want something other than a slop site, its pretty much Reddit, and thats not great.
Maybe I'll check out Matrix.
You're giving me ideas! They still exist? I'll definitely check them out. Wh would you recommend for getting (back) into it? A specific program?
Interesting. I always thought phone costs in the U.S. were very low.
to Reddit as "this app" - maybe they tend to use the smartphone app most of time and think of it that way.. Really, Reddit is an internet site and of
The worst thing is, that Reddit is often one of the only good sources, or reasonable source of answers to questions. Google's search results are bad,
You know, I think some of us (me at least!) would be joyed to see a photo of our post as displayed by the C64, especially if you're using a CRT display.
reddit is real shitty and it's
mostly
liberals. they also have bots that
downvote people into oblivion . i
havent seen that in a while, though.
it's basically ahole liberal nazis.
What I really miss is the culture of discussion we had here in Germany back in the 80s
and 90s (also in BBS, later Fido, and Usenet). I don't know how it was or is in the
USA,
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The Usenet I really loved was the one where it seemed like folks from everywhere... often but not always colleges... were on there. I was
about to be/fresh out of college during that time and there were always
a lot of variety in discussions and viewpoints.
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combination of old school technology
and worldwide communication. Even a
local NNTP server, combined with IRC
maybe shared file area, still a bit
better than the BBS, as you can use
your own editor with a Usenet
client.
You're giving me ideas! They still exist? I'll definitely check them
out. What would you recommend for getting (back) into it? A specific program?
NNTP servers or IRC? Both still exist.
IRC, well mIRC was big for Windows. I use HexChat and Weechat.
HexChat I think is avaiable on Windows?
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It depends on where you live (the U, S, and A is pretty big). In some places, the local calling area was the entire city or more (state?
maybe). But in other places, that local area was only a little chunk of
a city, and it would be a long distance call to only a few miles away.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri
May 02 2025 08:04 am
The worst thing is, that Reddit is often one of the only good sources, or reasonable source of answers to questions. Google's search results are bad, DuckDuckGo not much better. IF you want something other than a slop site, its pretty much Reddit, and thats not great.
The other day I Googled something, and one result was a Reddit thread
with someone asking the question. Someone answered "Google it." (which was downvoted), and someone replied that Google led them to that Reddit thread.. :P
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Dumas Walker on
Thu May 01 2025 08:02 am
Maybe I'll check out Matrix.
Personally, I think Matrix is best for just direct friends / family
chats. Like a replacement for phone calls and SMSes. It's ok for small chat groups. Some people use it for larger chat gatherings like
Discord, but I'm not a fan of Discord either, so maybe that gives me
bias ;).
Reddit Terminal Viewer is a new one on me, so I will have to look that
up. Usually, though, I try not to sign in to Reddit in order to not be tempted to reply to a lot of the stupid that is on there. Plus, web
forums are what killed BBSes, so I shake my fist at them (although
Reddit is probably the best one).
Usenet plus BBSes ... while there are certain users that you'll notice
and hear from more than others, there is still a pretty good variety of people around and participating here and there. I say this frequenting BBSes of all the platforms (Amiga, Apple, Atari, Commodore, Macintosh,
and PC).
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Fri
May 02 2025 08:04 am
The worst thing is, that Reddit is often one of the only good sources, or reasonable source of answers to questions. Google's search results are bad,
http://imgur.com/a/Y0MSJDt
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on
Fri May 02 2025 08:15 am
You know, I think some of us (me at least!) would be joyed to see a photo of our post as displayed by the C64, especially if you're using a CRT display.
Would an Atari on an LCD be as welcome? ;) https://i.imgur.com/1Bg19iQ.jpeg
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: MRO to Boraxman on Thu
May 01 2025 01:11 am
reddit is real shitty and it's
mostly
liberals. they also have bots that
downvote people into oblivion . i
havent seen that in a while, though.
it's basically ahole liberal nazis.
What I really miss is the culture of discussion we had here in Germany back in the 80s and 90s (also in BBS, later Fido, and Usenet). I don't know how it was or is in the USA, but here, things have dramatically worsened over the last 10 to 5 years (especially since COVID) in terms
of freedom of speech ¡ particularly online. Nowadays, in Germany, even sharing a harsh joke (a meme) about a politician can be enough to get a house search. Unbelievable. Look up "Apollo News" and "Schwachkopf".
This kind of treatment of government critics is something you'd expect only in dictatorships. Hey, the book 1984 was a warning, not an instruction manual.
I've also noticed that the moderation in a Reddit group I'm in is terrible. But I don't waste my time getting worked up about it.
Interesting that you used the term "liberal" above. I think it has a different meaning for you than it does here in Germany. Here, "liberal"
is generally seen as positive¡associated with freedom. The problem
we're facing (as mentioned above) clearly comes from the side I would
call pseudo- or lifestyle-left. It has nothing to do with the early leftists, who were always critical of authority and government. The once-renowned Spiegel magazine, which I already mentioned in this
thread, is the best example. It used to be critical of the government¡
now it's just a mouthpiece for them. Government criticism? For Trump?
Of course, all labeled as Nazis. Great speech of JD Vance in Munich. I think the overcompensation problem in Germany has never been as extreme
as it is today.
When it comes to crude jokes ¡ check
out the Joke Corner of the Snobsoft BBS (use a translator or
something). There are some pretty harsh jokes from the 1980s. Exactly ¡
I have a lot of content in the BBS from 1985 onward. The jokes aren't always necessarily my type of humor ¡ but it was good that people were allowed to make them ¡ even about politicians. That should be a given
in a democracy, nothing that needs to be a big discussion.
Of course, people got annoyed at other BBS users back then too,
disagreed with their opinions. But afterward, they'd go have a beer together in real life. Today, you're often instantly treated as an
enemy if you have the "wrong" opinion. It's terrible. Especially when
it comes from the very people claiming to be "saving democracy." In reality, their suppression of dissenting opinions is the real threat to democracy.
They probably don't even understand the essence of democracy. Exactly ¡ that means talking to one another, listening to different perspectives, thinking them over ¡ and not canceling them.
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Boraxman wrote to Snobsoft <=-
combination of old school technology
and worldwide communication. Even a
local NNTP server, combined with IRC
maybe shared file area, still a bit
better than the BBS, as you can use
your own editor with a Usenet
client.
You're giving me ideas! They still exist? I'll definitely check them
out. What would you recommend for getting (back) into it? A specific program?
NNTP servers or IRC? Both still exist.
Hint: Synchronet supports both NNTP and IRC. I played with them for a
bit, but I like the old-school telnet/QWK experience.
IRC, well mIRC was big for Windows. I use HexChat and Weechat.
HexChat I think is avaiable on Windows?
Yes, it is. I started using it a while ago, taking a break from mIRC.
Apparently HexChat has been dropped by the maintainer and they're
looking for someone to take up the reigns. :(
I could do the C64 myself, if only I were able to get it online.
Boraxman wrote to phigan <=-
You know, I think some of us (me at least!) would be joyed to see a photo of our post as displayed by the C64, especially if you're using a CRT display.
Would an Atari on an LCD be as welcome? ;) https://i.imgur.com/1Bg19iQ.jpeg
Very much so! Thanks!
I could do the C64 myself, if only I were able to get it online.
What was your most beautiful BBS
experience in modern timeslet's say,
within the last 10 years or so? One
where you'd say, "Good thing those old
BBS dinosaurs are still around here
and there!"
I've had many truly amazing
experiences...
Like receiving great hardware donations
from Snobsoft (my BBS) users. But the
most recent event with my Australian BBS
video (see Ads Section) is something I
find particularly awesome right now. In
the Australian video about SX-64 user
Troy Duncan, I start off, among other
things, with a music video from Men At
Work ("Down Under"). And what does Troy
tell me? The guitarist from Men At Work
lives on his street! What an incredible
coincidence.
I'm still grinning about it.
Alright, now it's your turn! :D
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The Usenet I really loved was the one where it seemed like folks from everywhere... often but not always colleges... were on there. I was about to be/fresh out of college during that time and there were always a lot of variety in discussions and viewpoints.
I hear you - there was a ba.* hierarchy with local San Francisco bay
area topics, then I hit the comp.* hierarchy for work info - primarily comp.dcom as I was in telecommunications at the time.
You'd get college grads and hardcore techies, a singles board where
people planned meetups, then some music groups had fan newsgroups.
They probably donƒ¨¨t even understand the essence of democracy. Exactly ƒ¨¨ that means talking to one another, listening to different perspectives, thinking them over ƒ¨¨ and not canceling them.
I pretty much agree that so called
advocates of freedom have become the
ones who will slay it.
But what I really want to talk about
is
this:
They probably don¨¨ƒ›¨¨ƒ¨¨¨ƒ¨t
even
understand the essence of
democracy.
Exactly ¨¨ƒ›¨¨ƒ¨¨¨ƒ¨
that means talking to one
another,
listening to different
perspectives,
thinking them over ¨¨ƒ›¨¨ƒ¨¨¨ƒ¨
and not
canceling them.
Actually, the essence of democracy
is
to allow big groups of people to
force
their policies on small groups of
people without having to kill them.
I am actually more impressed by the
true original _organized_ democracy.
It
fell to the same essential defect,
but
it had the advantage of not being
universal - you got to vote only if
you
met the minimum requisites. This
basically meant the people who had
to
decide whether to go to war or not
was
the same people who would be funding
the war effort from their pockets or
who would be in the frontline.
why are you formatting your text
like that?
For my C64 :D
An actual real C64?
You know, I think some of us (me at
least!) would be joyed to see a
photo
of our post as displayed by the C64,
especially if you're using a CRT
display.
That can happen. The problem is that the self-proclaimed elites here in Germany are profoundly anti-democratic if they refuse to engage in the competition of arguments and instead seriously want to ban Germany's largest opposition party. Of course, using the "argument" that they are Nazis. Although nowadays, the majority in Germany no longer takes the loony lefties seriously. Today you're already a Nazi if you turn right twice at a traffic light.Of course, people got annoyed
at
other BBS users back then too,
disagreed with their opinions.
But
afterward, they'd go have a
beer
together in real life. Today,
you're often instantly treated
as
an
enemy if you have the "wrong"
opinion. It's terrible.
Especially
when
it comes from the very people
claiming to be "saving
democracy."
In reality, their suppression
of
dissenting opinions is the real
threat to democracy.
They probably don't even
understand the essence of
democracy. Exactly ¨¨ƒ that
means
talking to one another,
listening
to different perspectives,
thinking them over ¨¨ƒ and not
canceling them.
Unfortuantely, if my theory is
correct
(and its holding up so far),
this was going to happen, the
government has little choice about
it
and no one can fix it. It will get
worse until there is a breaking
point, at which things get UGLY.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Arelor to Snobsoft on
Sat May 03 2025 05:59 pm
I pretty much agree that so called
advocates of freedom have become the
ones who will slay it.
Looks like it. And do they really not notice? From my perspective, it's
so obvious what's happening - almost trivially clear.
But what I really want to talk about
is
this:
They probably don¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡t
even
understand the essence of
democracy.
Exactly ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
that means talking to one
another,
listening to different
perspectives,
thinking them over ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
and not
canceling them.
Actually, the essence of democracy
is
to allow big groups of people to
force
their policies on small groups of
people without having to kill them.
Yes, that's one way to see it. But then the question remains - what
would be better? But you do write more about that further down.
I am actually more impressed by the
true original _organized_ democracy.
It
fell to the same essential defect,
but
it had the advantage of not being
universal - you got to vote only if
you
met the minimum requisites. This
basically meant the people who had
to
decide whether to go to war or not
was
the same people who would be funding
the war effort from their pockets or
who would be in the frontline.
That is very interesting. Then, quite concretely, "Panzer Toni" from
the German Greens (who have now become strictly conservative and pro-armament) who is erratically claiming to support "Ukraine until victory" should also head to the front himself. And I bet that he
wouldn't be so loud-mouthed anymore. So, a good idea. What I also don't quite understand again: Anyone who can think clearly should know that
1) Ukraine cannot win and 2) only a third world war would change that.
How delusional must one be to want to escalate such a conflict? Even
Biden was aware of the danger of a third world war, and Trump is now
doing the only right thing.
And he gets corresponding bashing from the above mentioned German loudmouths, because for some reason they remain stuck in their absurd fantasy world, where one can defeat a nuclear power without setting the entire world on fire.
Of course, one must also ignore the
fact that, since 2014, half of the Ukrainian army had already initiated constant bombardment against Russian Donbas minorities (around 30,000 deaths), meaning that the conflict actually began much earlier.
Naturally, the German propaganda media completely omit this. Likewise,
the continuous NATO expansion, and the ignorance of Russian protests against it - including NATO bases in Ukraine.
And yes, attacking a country is a violation of international law, which
is what Russia did - something that superpowers often do. Look at the
USA in Vietnam, etc. But the world is not simply black and white as in propaganda - and currently, for example, in the German mainstream
media, who should be ashamed of their one-sided reporting.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on
Sat May 03 2025 12:00 pm
Of course, people got annoyed
at
other BBS users back then too,
disagreed with their opinions.
But
afterward, they'd go have a
beer
together in real life. Today,
you're often instantly treated
as
an
enemy if you have the "wrong"
opinion. It's terrible.
Especially
when
it comes from the very people
claiming to be "saving
democracy."
In reality, their suppression
of
dissenting opinions is the real
threat to democracy.
They probably don't even
understand the essence of
democracy. Exactly ¡¡¡¡ that
means
talking to one another,
listening
to different perspectives,
thinking them over ¡¡¡¡ and not
canceling them.
Unfortuantely, if my theory is
correct
(and its holding up so far),
this was going to happen, the
government has little choice about
it
and no one can fix it. It will get
worse until there is a breaking
point, at which things get UGLY.
That can happen. The problem is that the self-proclaimed elites here in Germany are profoundly anti-democratic if they refuse to engage in the competition of arguments and instead seriously want to ban Germany's largest opposition party. Of course, using the "argument" that they are Nazis. Although nowadays, the majority in Germany no longer takes the loony lefties seriously. Today you're already a Nazi if you turn right twice at a traffic light.
That has something to do with the likely pathological overcompensation happening here in Germany, which I already mentioned in this thread. There's even a joke about it - better not express your opinion too
clearly unless you have a bathrobe ready. The background: A government-critical publication was supposed to be banned (something
one would normally only expect in dictatorships), and the images of the house search immediately went viral - showing the publisher in a
bathrobe after being pulled out of bed at dawn by the police storm troopers. Naturally, the mainstream media loyal to the system had
already been informed in advance, so they could capture "the blow for democracy" (1984, anyone?).
BTW: I'm neither a fan of the aforementioned publication nor the party
in question. But that's not the point. In a democracy, sharp and even polemical, unpopular criticism must be tolerated - if it cannot (see above), it risks no longer being a democracy. Once again - the JD Vance speech was on point.
BTW2: At least a court has ruled that the aforementioned scandalous ban
on an opposition publication was unlawful (pending the main trial).
Boraxman wrote to phigan <=-
Just for direct friends and family, you'll have to get them to install
it and use it. Thats hard enough. They'll have other friends who
want to use Signal, others that use Snapchat, others that use
Messenger or WhatsApp or whatever. Its a PITA. Best compromise is to
use services where there can at least be a common client, ie, one
client that supports mulitiple protocols. Weechat does IRC and
Matrix, so despite the fact I use IRC, if I went on Matrix, at least I
can still use the same client. Same with Pidgin, where I (briefly)
used it, or its predecessor to use both a MSN messenger and I think
Yahoo! Chat account.
The ruling elite have a sort of dim
view of this, in that they can see
storm clouds, but now why they are
coming and what drives them. THAT
is
why they are acting this way.
Things
are spiralling out of control, and
they
think if they can limits speech,
prevent "Hate speech", police
peoples
thoughts, that will stop the bad
ideas
and we'll return to normal. My
position
is it wont, nothing can stop what is
coming now, and the trend you've
seen,
where people are becoming more and
more
polarised, will only continue until
its
logical conclusion.
I can't see how you can possibly
gain
more freedom now. Germans, and the
West, voted to take their own
freedom
away. They supported, and PROTESTED
FOR, policies which would deny
themselves freedom and take away
democratic rights. Even now, many,
many
Europeans and Westerners will fight
for
a material outcome which would
require
themselves to lose freedom, privacy
and
the right to free expression.
I say this because an "open society"
cannot be free. A "welcome culture"
cannot
be free. You want a pluralistic
society AND be free? That is the
error. Germany is cooked. Are you
willing to exert a German identity,
and
put it as supreme over the others?
No.
Well, welcome to hell.
After all, I don't care about
"choosing" who represents me. I
don't
have a choice as none of the two
major
parties represent anything CLOSE to
what I want.
Id rather a monarchy which delivered
an
actual future for me. I want a good
future, not the illusion of control.
Quoting Rixter to Snobsoft <=-
What was your most beautiful BBS
experience in modern times¡let's say,
within the last 10 years or so? One
where you'd say, "Good thing those old
BBS dinosaurs are still around here
and there!"
I've had many truly amazing
experiences...
Like receiving great hardware donations
from Snobsoft (my BBS) users. But the
most recent event with my Australian BBS
video (see Ads Section) is something I
find particularly awesome right now. In
the Australian video about SX-64 user
Troy Duncan, I start off, among other
things, with a music video from Men At
Work ("Down Under"). And what does Troy
tell me? The guitarist from Men At Work
lives on his street! What an incredible
coincidence.
I'm still grinning about it.
Alright, now it's your turn! :D
Thank you for a good post. I enjoy CJs place because the sysop there
plays games with us. Xbit BBS is a great gaming place as well.
Thank you Cougar. I hope you have a great day.Quoting Rixter to Snobsoft <=-
What was your most beautiful BBS
experience in modern times¡let's say,
within the last 10 years or so? One
where you'd say, "Good thing those old
BBS dinosaurs are still around here
and there!"
I've had many truly amazing
experiences...
Like receiving great hardware donations
from Snobsoft (my BBS) users. But the
most recent event with my Australian BBS
video (see Ads Section) is something I
find particularly awesome right now. In
the Australian video about SX-64 user
Troy Duncan, I start off, among other
things, with a music video from Men At
Work ("Down Under"). And what does Troy
tell me? The guitarist from Men At Work
lives on his street! What an incredible
coincidence.
I'm still grinning about it.
Alright, now it's your turn! :D
Thank you for a good post. I enjoy CJs place because the sysop there plays games with us. Xbit BBS is a great gaming place as well.
I don't know if this is the place, but I would like to extend my thanks
to all of you who keep the boards running. I liked the community in the
past and still find it engaging and fun.
I love to play Tradewars and I did try my hand at running a BBS back in
the early 90's but I wasn't very good at it. So my hats off to all of
you sysop's who take the time to run the boards for all of us.
Needless to say, I still love to play TW and I'm thankful for all of
you guys. Not just CJ and Rick but each and every one of you.
Thanks!
... Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20
I say this because an "open society" cannot be free. A "welcome culture"
cannot
be free. You want a pluralistic society AND be free? That is the error.
Germany is cooked. Are you willing to exert a German identity, and put it as supreme over the others? No. Well, welcome to hell.
I don't know if this is the place, but I would like to extend my thanks to all of you who keep the boards running. I liked the community in the past and still find it engaging and fun.
I love to play Tradewars and I did try my hand at running a BBS back in the early 90's but I wasn't very good at it. So my hats off to all of you sysop's who take the time to run the boards for all of us.
What I really miss is the culture
of
discussion we had here in Germany
back in the 80s and 90s (also in
BBS, later Fido, and Usenet). I
don't know how it was or is in
the USA
I was stationed in Germany in the
early
80's and what I liked was the
Deutchlanders really only said what
they meant. No "wells, ifs or what
ifs".
Boraxman wrote to Snobsoft <=-
Snobsoft wrote to Arelor <=-
I do think Democracy's days are up. Not numbered, but finished. Of course we still have a democracy, but not one which can propel us in
the direction we need
to go. Too much emphasis is placed on "rights", but rights are not natural, they are granted, and they are granted for a purpose. Is our "right" to vote serving the purpose it was granted for?
I would argue no. As we only get to choose for a select few "approved" candidates, it seems we have no more choice than a child who is given
the false dichotomy by their parents. As we see in Europe, if anyone
does sneak in who falls outside the approved choices, they use non-democratic means to remove them.
I am actually more impressed by the
true original _organized_ democracy.
It
fell to the same essential defect,
but
it had the advantage of not being
universal - you got to vote only if
you
met the minimum requisites. This
basically meant the people who had
to
decide whether to go to war or not
was
the same people who would be funding
the war effort from their pockets or
who would be in the frontline.
Of course, one must also ignore the
fact that, since 2014, half of the Ukrainian army had already initiated constant bombardment against Russian Donbas minorities (around 30,000 deaths), meaning that the conflict actually began much earlier.
Naturally, the German propaganda media completely omit this. Likewise,
the continuous NATO expansion, and the ignorance of Russian protests against it - including NATO bases in Ukraine.
I don't see a solution, and I don't see Democracy, at least one reliant
on people voting, working. This is an enlightenment idea, based on the assumption that humans work to reason. This is proven untrue, and is
more and more untrue by the day as we find more and more ways to manipulate, brainwash, gaslight and mislead people.
Polybius identified the cycles civlisation goes through, and he
observed that democracy degenerates and leads to strongman politics.
We should bite the bullet perhaps, and accept this change, rather than carry on the farce for longer.
After all, I don't care about "choosing" who represents me. I don't
have a choice as none of the two major parties represent anything CLOSE
to what I want.
Id rather a monarchy which delivered an actual future for me. I want a good future, not the illusion of control.
Snobsoft wrote to Arelor <=-
I would argue no. As we only get to choose for a select few "approved" candidates, it seems we have no more choice than a child who is given the false dichotomy by their parents. As we see in Europe, if anyone does sneak in who falls outside the approved choices, they use non-democratic means to remove them.
Nightfox wrote to Cougar428 <=-
Re: Most memorable modern BBS
By: Cougar428 to RIXTER on Mon May 05 2025 08:22 am
I don't know if this is the place, but I would like to extend my thanks to all of you who keep the boards running. I liked the community in the past and still find it engaging and fun.
I love to play Tradewars and I did try my hand at running a BBS back in the early 90's but I wasn't very good at it. So my hats off to all of you sysop's who take the time to run the boards for all of us.
I think it's interesting that I've been running my current BBS longer
than I ran my original BBS in the 90s.. I enjoy running it, and I plan
to keep running it (at least for a while), as long as the community is still active.
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Boraxman wrote to phigan <=-
Just for direct friends and family, you'll have to get them to install
it and use it. Thats hard enough. They'll have other friends who
want to use Signal, others that use Snapchat, others that use
Messenger or WhatsApp or whatever. Its a PITA. Best compromise is to
use services where there can at least be a common client, ie, one
client that supports mulitiple protocols. Weechat does IRC and
Matrix, so despite the fact I use IRC, if I went on Matrix, at least I
can still use the same client. Same with Pidgin, where I (briefly)
used it, or its predecessor to use both a MSN messenger and I think
Yahoo! Chat account.
I was going to mention Pidgin/GAIM - back in the AOL/MSN/Gtalk days, people were on all platforms - then, we used XMPP at work on a
dedicated server, I ran my own XMPP server - and could read/write
messages on all the networks with Pidgin.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on
Mon May 05 2025 08:10 am
After all, I don't care about
"choosing" who represents me. I
don't
have a choice as none of the two
major
parties represent anything CLOSE to
what I want.
Id rather a monarchy which delivered
an
actual future for me. I want a good
future, not the illusion of control.
I felt fairly well represented in Germany in the 1980s. Democracy still functioned well here, and freedom of speech was a given. The left was
not yet completely out of control. I even saw myself as left-wing, but
I have nothing to do with today's lifestyle/loony-lefties. I haven't changed - they have. What the Greens are advocating today is actually
what was considered typically right-wing in the 1980s (military interventions in other countries, obedience to authority, etc.). Left
and right can hardly be used in the same way as they were back then.
Back in the 80s, as I said, you could have real societal discussions
(even on BBS). People argued intensely about issues, and then had a
beer together afterward. Today, the climate is poisoned.
The concrete problem today: Germans voted for a political change, but
all parties have united against the largest opposition party in the so-called 'Brandmauer' which is deeply anti-democratic. The majority of voters are getting the exact opposite of what they voted for. This has never happened so drastically in the history of the Federal Republic of Germany. Now, we are seeing a continuation of the disastrous
loony-leftist policies - economically disastrous, and foreign
policy-wise, extremely dangerous.
The greatest threat to us in Germany, Europe, and beyond remains the
risk that the war in Ukraine could escalate into a European or even
global conflict over Ukraine. I am cautiously optimistic that Trump
will fix this. These are strange times when one can be glad to still
have Trump, I was never a fan of his.
Also bizarre: The loony-lefties annoyed us in Germany for years with completely exaggerated COVID measures. Now, we truly have the greatest threat to our lives since the Cuban Missile Crisis with the Ukraine
powder keg, and what do the Greens do? They pour fuel on the fire - unbelievable.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Snobsoft on
Mon May 05 2025 08:37 am
I say this because an "open society" cannot be free. A "welcome culture"
cannot
be free. You want a pluralistic society AND be free? That is the error.
Germany is cooked. Are you willing to exert a German identity, and put it as supreme over the others? No. Well, welcome to hell.
I think this is a matter of the point of view as who gets to be free
under which circumsptances.
In post 1950's fascist Spain, people were de-facto more free than they
are today - nobody was required to ask permission to have horses and
hens, you weren't supposed to report everything you do as you are today
- but only if you were, shall we say, Spanish-normative.
Which basically means if you were a working heterosexual non-communist Spaniard you were good to go and the only right you missed was
critizising the Party in the open. Lacking the power to citizise Franco
in the open is a big one for me, but I would trade the right to
critizise the government for the right not to be accountable for every decision I take in my life in a heartbeat. If I were gay I would think different.
I think I have already mentioned that people who like pluralistic open
for all cultures do so because they imagine they will be welcoming
people that are largely compatible with their views, or who can be evangelized and adapted to the local ways. The problem is people is not going to abbandon their ideas and morals just because they are on your soil. Can you imagine how successful would the population of a pro-
female genital mutilation society be in changing your views if you
moved there? Newsflash: your chances of changing the morals of a
newcomer are about the same.
This is not to say you can't have an open metropolitan society, just
that there will be consequences and that most people who propose this society model is not willing to accept them - and they will discover
that sooner or later.
In this regard the Japanesse model might be one of the most sustainable ones. People is more or less welcome to stay but you are expected to follow Japanesse rules to the letter while in public. It is fine if you bring European traditions but you are expected not to push them in
public.
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Boraxman wrote to Snobsoft <=-
Snobsoft wrote to Arelor <=-
I do think Democracy's days are up. Not numbered, but finished. Of course we still have a democracy, but not one which can propel us in
the direction we need
to go. Too much emphasis is placed on "rights", but rights are not natural, they are granted, and they are granted for a purpose. Is our "right" to vote serving the purpose it was granted for?
I'm late to the discussion I know, but wanted to chime in here...
Are we talking America? Where we have a representative republic?
I've heard it touted the last few years to 'support democracy'
especially in the Tennessee state legislature. We didn't have one
before - we have had a representative republic.
As for the right not being natural, but granted. The US Constitution recognizes that they are 'granted' by our Creator. That implies the
Most High God - the Creator God - and not the government. I would
say that we are not granted in the sense that they are granted by
the government, but are 'granted' by our Creator at birth, which
makes them natural.
I would argue no. As we only get to choose for a select few "approved" candidates, it seems we have no more choice than a child who is given
the false dichotomy by their parents. As we see in Europe, if anyone
does sneak in who falls outside the approved choices, they use non-democratic means to remove them.
This I agree with, but whose fault is that? I believe we as a society
over the years have given up more and more control to 'the
establishment' and not put forth our own candidates. We had this conversation early on in our men's study group at church. We all agreed that if we want Christian values and a Biblical worldview we should
vote that way. This includes voting that way for county commisioner, school board, etc. and not just in the state or national elections. The comment was made that there are not always 'Christian candidates'
running, so we decided maybe it was time for us to step up and fill
those spots then.
My personal decision, with prayer of course, was to look at county commision or school board. The former is pretty much locked up for
my district, but the latter is currently held by my wife's cousin,
who has thought about retiring from the position. I talked to him and
he would be willing to endorse me and be more likely to step down
knowing there is another Christian ready to step in.
I don't see a solution, and I don't see Democracy, at least one reliant
on people voting, working. This is an enlightenment idea, based on the assumption that humans work to reason. This is proven untrue, and is
more and more untrue by the day as we find more and more ways to manipulate, brainwash, gaslight and mislead people.
This. In a nutshell... ^^^^
Polybius identified the cycles civlisation goes through, and he
observed that democracy degenerates and leads to strongman politics.
We should bite the bullet perhaps, and accept this change, rather than carry on the farce for longer.
After all, I don't care about "choosing" who represents me. I don't
have a choice as none of the two major parties represent anything CLOSE
to what I want.
Id rather a monarchy which delivered an actual future for me. I want a good future, not the illusion of control.
With a Biblical worldview, I see the future EVENTUALLY being one world government, but I don't support that, nor do I push for it. I know it
to be a 'future fact' is all. That being said, I beleive that the only true 'change' that will happen is one soul at a time.
Boraxman wrote to Snobsoft <=-
the direction we need
to go. Too much emphasis is placed on "rights", but rights are not natural, they are granted, and they are granted for a purpose. Is our "right" to vote serving the purpose it was granted for?
I'm late to the discussion I know, but wanted to chime in here...
Are we talking America? Where we have a representative republic?
I was stationed in Germany in the early
80's and what I liked was the Deutchlanders really only said what they meant. No "wells, ifs or what ifs".
Nice to hear. In which area of Germany were you?
I think this is a matter of the
point
of view as who gets to be free under
which circumsptances.
In post 1950's fascist Spain, people
were de-facto more free than they
are
today - nobody was required to ask
permission to have horses and hens,
you
weren't supposed to report
everything
you do as you are today - but only
if
you were, shall we say,
Spanish-normative.
Which basically means if you were a
working heterosexual non-communist
Spaniard you were good to go and the
only right you missed was
critizising
the Party in the open. Lacking the
power to citizise Franco in the open
is
a big one for me, but I would trade
the
right to critizise the government
for
the right not to be accountable for
every decision I take in my life in
a
heartbeat. If I were gay I would
think different.
Nightfox wrote to Cougar428 <=-
I think it's interesting that I've been running my current BBS longer
than I ran my original BBS in the 90s.. I enjoy running it, and I plan
to keep running it (at least for a while), as long as the community is still active.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Jimmy Anderson to Boraxman on Mon May 05 2025 06:54 am
Boraxman wrote to Snobsoft <=-
the direction we need
to go. Too much emphasis is placed on "rights", but rights are not natural, they are granted, and they are granted for a purpose. Is o "right" to vote serving the purpose it was granted for?
I'm late to the discussion I know, but wanted to chime in here...
Are we talking America? Where we have a representative republic?
i think boraxman is auCorrect, but I'm speaking in general terms as Australia is following the same broad trends as the US, Canada, France, Germany, UK, etc.
Signal has actually become my defacto "messenger" program. Not by choice, but simply by virtue of chance and others I know using it. However, it is not a replacement. Signal requires a phone, and it advertises to all that you use it.
Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I was hoping with IPv6 that each person could somehow obtain a static
IP or IP range that was static within a country/region. That way it
acted like a psuedo internet phone number, and chat clients could work without a central controller.
What all nets do you have?
I joined Battleship because it has a TON, but there's a 20 message limit per day...
Are we talking America? Where we have a representative republic?
i think boraxman is auCorrect, but I'm speaking in general terms as Australia is following the same broad trends as the US, Canada, France, Germany, UK, etc.
Signal has actually become my defacto "messenger" program. Not by choice, but simply by virtue of chance and others I know using it. However, it is not a replacement. Signal requires a phone, and it advertises to all that you use it.
https://signal.org/blog/phone-number-privacy-usernames/
I still hate the fact your account is limited to a phone number, but that is an administrative decission. Most modern users can't deal with user-password credentials at all.
Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
As for the right not being natural, but granted. The US Constitution recognizes that they are 'granted' by our Creator. That implies the
Most High God - the Creator God - and not the government. I would
say that we are not granted in the sense that they are granted by
the government, but are 'granted' by our Creator at birth, which
makes them natural.
I'm speaking in general. I would argue that the "End of Democracy" doesn't mean
you don't get to vote, it just means the system is not functionally a democracy.
We can see this in Germany, where the parties have ganged up to prvent
a rising party, the jailing of Le Pen, the overturning of the Romanian election and Lawfare against Trump and the "fortifying" of the 2020 election. Could it outright disappear? Maybe, in some nations it
could lead to fascism, but not right now. I think we'll see "managed demoracy", where a ruling elite gatekeep everything, effectively a one-party or one-ideology system in disguise.
With a Biblical worldview, I see the future EVENTUALLY being one world government, but I don't support that, nor do I push for it. I know it
to be a 'future fact' is all. That being said, I beleive that the only true 'change' that will happen is one soul at a time.
I think people are pushing for this, but I see it as unworkable. There are people who believe that the world could unite, there is "one humanity". They're
mistaken, and we will pay dearly for them continiuing with this
delusion.
Snobsoft wrote to Arelor <=-
That is a very smart post from you. It shows how important it is to
know that there are different perspectives, not just the one and only truth. Unfortunately, not many people are able to imagine other
viewpoints and thus develop understanding accordingly.
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN
on Tue May 06 2025 08:09 am
Signal has actually become my defacto "messenger" program. Not by choice, but simply by virtue of chance and others I know using it. However, it is not a replacement. Signal requires a phone, and it advertises to all that you use it.
Actually, your phone number is no longer advertised if you don't want
to.
https://signal.org/blog/phone-number-privacy-usernames/
I still hate the fact your account is limited to a phone number, but
that is an administrative decission. Most modern users can't deal with user-password credentials at all.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I was hoping with IPv6 that each person could somehow obtain a static
IP or IP range that was static within a country/region. That way it
acted like a psuedo internet phone number, and chat clients could work without a central controller.
I suppose, even with IPV4 and DDNS, you could do something like that.
More and more ISPs are moving to carrier-grade NAT, though -
eliminating any possibility of interconnection.
XMPP/Jabber would have done that - run your own jabber server and
with DDNS or a static IP you could connect directly.
Telegram allows you to hide your number, but not hide the fact you are using it. If you use Signal you have to resign yourself to the fact that everyone else who has your number will know you are on it. With Telegram, they'll know your username. I guess its to make things easier, but I wasn't comfortable with
that software making announcements like that automatically.
I may NOT WANT someone who has my number to know I'm using Signal.
MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Tue May 06 2025 07:31 pm
Are we talking America? Where we have a representative republic?
i think boraxman is auCorrect, but I'm speaking in general terms as Australia is following the same broad trends as the US, Canada, France, Germany, UK, etc.
well i knew a few people online from the au and i think you guys are a
bit worse in that area, as is canada and uk. americans still love their rights and fight for them; that is why they have to take creative
measures to take them away from us. ---
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Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
As for the right not being natural, but granted. The US Constitution recognizes that they are 'granted' by our Creator. That implies the
Most High God - the Creator God - and not the government. I would
say that we are not granted in the sense that they are granted by
the government, but are 'granted' by our Creator at birth, which
makes them natural.
I'm speaking in general. I would argue that the "End of Democracy" doesn't mean
you don't get to vote, it just means the system is not functionally a democracy.
Gotcha! The issue here in Tennessee is there is a vocal group that
claim they are not being heard. The way it works is that there are Representatives sent from different districts. Each district has ONE
Rep that represents 70,000 ish people. Each Rep has the same vote as
the next one. When 'majority rules' in the House of Representatives,
there are some who stand up and say they aren't representing the views
of everyone.
Well... That's the definition of democracy, or representative republic. Everyone has an equal say, and majority rules. :-) It's just
frustrating hearing them complain and say they are not being heard,
when the truth is they ARE, but the state AS A WHOLE has sent more
people to Congress that do NOT vote that way.
We can see this in Germany, where the parties have ganged up to prvent
a rising party, the jailing of Le Pen, the overturning of the Romanian election and Lawfare against Trump and the "fortifying" of the 2020 election. Could it outright disappear? Maybe, in some nations it
could lead to fascism, but not right now. I think we'll see "managed demoracy", where a ruling elite gatekeep everything, effectively a one-party or one-ideology system in disguise.
Yep - I think Trump is the exception to this... George Bush Sr. was
VERY globally minded, so it's not just one party. The 'establishment' seems to strive to hold itself up, and historically speaking we ARE
moving toward even a global gatekeeper society. And of course Daniel
and John both saw this coming, so it shouldn't be a surprise. :-)
With a Biblical worldview, I see the future EVENTUALLY being one world government, but I don't support that, nor do I push for it. I know it
to be a 'future fact' is all. That being said, I beleive that the only true 'change' that will happen is one soul at a time.
I think people are pushing for this, but I see it as unworkable. There are people who believe that the world could unite, there is "one humanity". They're
mistaken, and we will pay dearly for them continiuing with this
delusion.
I think that is the very reason the AntiChrist will be able to have
the
sway over the nations - because he will bring peace and unity that the
world hasn't seen since, as you mentioned, the Tower of Babal!
Jimmy Anderson wrote to Boraxman <=-
Gotcha! The issue here in Tennessee is there is a vocal group that
claim they are not being heard. The way it works is that there are Representatives sent from different districts. Each district has ONE
Rep that represents 70,000 ish people. Each Rep has the same vote as
the next one. When 'majority rules' in the House of Representatives,
there are some who stand up and say they aren't representing the views
of everyone.
Nightfox wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
Re: Most memorable modern BBS
By: Jimmy Anderson to Nightfox on Mon May 05 2025 05:51 pm
What all nets do you have?
I joined Battleship because it has a TON, but there's a 20 message limit per day...
I'm connected to DOVE-Net, FSXNet, FidoNet, AgoraNet, HobbyNet,
StarNet, MusicalNet, and DeveloperNet.
Nightfox
Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
This is why the leaders that be, are desperately trying to muddy up the culture and identity of Western countries, as they are seeking to eradicate long standing nations and replace us with a commercialised, homogenised "mass consumer" that has no national or cultural loyalty,
and is easily pliable.
I agree! My pastor is a Star Trek fan - mainly the old series. I mentioned one time that it's based on a one world government in the future - all wars have been done away with, etc. It was interesting watching his eyes open.
:-)
Inner city Australians desperately want to virtue signal that they are
not like Trump. We do love authority more than Americans. We (not me personally) pride ourselves more on following rules, not bucking the trend.
I agree! My pastor is a Star Trek fan - mainly the old series. I mentioned one time that it's based on a one world government in the future - all wars have been done away with, etc. It was interesting watching his eyes open.
:-)
i'm sure nightfox would love that to happen because he cries when someone says the word shit.
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
Jimmy Anderson wrote to Boraxman <=-
Gotcha! The issue here in Tennessee is there is a vocal group that
claim they are not being heard. The way it works is that there are Representatives sent from different districts. Each district has ONE
Rep that represents 70,000 ish people. Each Rep has the same vote as
the next one. When 'majority rules' in the House of Representatives,
there are some who stand up and say they aren't representing the views
of everyone.
My 15 year old daughter can't tell the difference between "You're not agreeing with me" and "You're not listening to me". Too often, contemporary politics mirrors her behavior. Either we need to up-level
the level of political discourse, or she'll make one incredible politician... :)
Nightfox wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
I agree! My pastor is a Star Trek fan - mainly the old series. I mentioned one time that it's based on a one world government in the future - all wars have been done away with, etc. It was interesting watching his eyes open.
:-)
:) My wife and I are also Star Trek fans. I've been going to church
with her for the past couple years, but I didn't grow up reading the
bible or going to rhuch or anything, so I'm no expert in it.. but I
have heard a world government is predicted in Revelations as a sign of
end times, isn't it?
I can see how Christians might be nervous about
that,
though I don't think it necessarily means it would be the end
times. Star Trek tends to have a positive view of our future.
MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Arelor on Wed May 07 2025 08:05 am
Telegram allows you to hide your number, but not hide the fact you are using it. If you use Signal you have to resign yourself to the fact that everyone else who has your number will know you are on it. With Telegram, they'll know your username. I guess its to make things easier, but I wasn't comfortable with
that software making announcements like that automatically.
I may NOT WANT someone who has my number to know I'm using Signal.
there is no such thing as privacy and there is no such thing as being safe. if you don't want to be in the game, dont play in the game.
that means dont be online. otherwise your info is out there.
Jimmy Anderson wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Boraxman wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-
This is why the leaders that be, are desperately trying to muddy up the culture and identity of Western countries, as they are seeking to eradicate long standing nations and replace us with a commercialised, homogenised "mass consumer" that has no national or cultural loyalty,
and is easily pliable.
I agree! My pastor is a Star Trek fan - mainly the old series. I
mentioned one time that it's based on a one world government in the
future - all wars have been done away with, etc. It was interesting watching his eyes open.
:-)
Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in the dustbin where it belongs...
They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is incredible.
Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is
Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in
the dustbin where it belongs...
They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has
failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is
incredible.
Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Jimmy Anderson on Thu May 08 2025 11:42 am
You don't understand the difference between a dystopian future and a utopian future.
It's not "baby boomer claptrap"
Snobsoft wrote to Arelor <=-
That is a very smart post from
you. It shows how important it
is
to
know that there are different
perspectives, not just the one
and
only truth. Unfortunately, not
many people are able to imagine
other
viewpoints and thus develop
understanding accordingly.
There are MANY perspectives and many
viewpoints, but there is only one
'truth' - or else it's not the
truth.
Either there is ONE TRUTH or
there is no actual truth...
MRO wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to MRO on Wed May 07 2025 07:01 pm
Inner city Australians desperately want to virtue signal that they are
not like Trump. We do love authority more than Americans. We (not me personally) pride ourselves more on following rules, not bucking the trend.
rules are fine, if they make sense.
I just remember those 2 police officers jumping on an australian women because she wasn't wearing a mask in a park and they exposed her crotch (she had a dress on and they struggled with her and it was pulled up).
That shit makes me mad and i think mob rule should kick in at that
point and they should have got their asses beat severely.
also there's this shit where you can go to jail for saying something people don't like. like this one lady in the uk spoke out against immigrants when she read a story about a muslim immigrant killing 3
girls. was the story true? who knows. the media over there is more
fucked than the usa media.
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/uk-woman-jailed-inciting-racial-hatre d-not-posting-hurtful-words-2024-10-29/
i'm sure nightfox would love that to happen because he cries when
someone says the word shit. ---
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Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is
Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in
the dustbin where it belongs...
They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has
failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is
incredible.
I don't think there's anything wrong with having a hopeful view that humanity can improve. And ehat do you mean by "they were so arrogant to think they could make work what has failed throughout history"? Star
Trek is fiction; nobody has actually made anything work.
Also, Star Trek isn't all like that. Deep Space 9, for instance, shows some of the corruption of people and doesn't portray the future in a totally perfect light.
Yes, the world isn't perfect. But as a work of fiction, I've often
thought Star Trek had a sense of having ideals that we should be (not necessarily as we are).
Nightfox
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to Jimmy Anderson
on Thu May 08 2025 11:42 am
Star Trek is baby boomer claptrap. Their vision of the future is Hippie idealism, and that view of the future and ideology should go in the dustbin where it belongs...
They were so, so arrogant to think they could make work, what has failed throughout all of human history. The conceit they had is incredible.
You don't understand the difference between a dystopian future and a utopian future.
It's not "baby boomer claptrap"
Star Trek is fully automated, luxury, gay, space-communism.
Depict whatever you like in fiction, but be clear of the difference
between what works in fiction and what works in reality. Anyone can
make their ideals work in fiction and convince people that real life
would work according to their rules.
it? I can see how Christians might be nervous about that, though I don't think it necessarily means it would be the end times. Star Trek tends to
it? I can see how Christians might be nervous about that, though I don't
think it necessarily means it would be the end times. Star Trek tends to
True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.
Thats an obtuse take. There are certaintly degrees of privacy. I can choose to use my real name, put my real address, or not.
You don't know my address, my phone number, where I work, do you?
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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to DaiTengu on
Thu May 08 2025 09:27 pm
Depict whatever you like in fiction, but be clear of thedifference
between what works in fiction and what works in reality. Anyone can
make their ideals work in fiction and convince people that real life
would work according to their rules.
I think everyone understands that work a fiction is not reality. It's pretty clear and understood what works in fiction, as it doesn't necessarily represent reality.
I've enjoyed watching Star Trek as it represents what we could be, but
I feel like it's also good entertainment.
If you've only watched the original series, maybe give some of the
other Star Trek series a try (maybe Deep Space 9) but it sounds like it might not be your thing.
True Christians should not be nervous at all when the Rapture occurs.
Well yeah, though what I meant was just taking something as a sign that the rapture is going to happen soon.
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