I've been getting into lots of older sci-fi stuff as of late (the old X Minus One serials, Jules Verne, some older sci-fi anthologies I own from the 70s and 80s (Machines That Think, edited by Isaac Asimov is what got me into sci-fi!), but I'm itching for more good stuff. I do have an older copy of the Foundation Trilogy I've been meaning to try but I'm wondering if there's any other good sci-fi of the 50s-60s I should keep an eye out for (I have half a mind to look for more sci-fi pulp magazines, lol).

On the same note, I've completely neglected Fantasy. I have yet to find ANY fantasy novels I like. A penpal sent me some ebooks of authors like Anne McCaffery, Brandon Sanderson, E.E. Knight, etc. I had already had some interest--having read some older short stories by Robert E. Howard (I'd love some recommendationso f those if you have any). But I'm mainly interested getting my hands on anything decent fantasy wise that isn't anime or Skyrim, lol.

If anyone has any recommendations of either, I'm dying to know!

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Foriest Jan Smith wrote to All <=-

I've been getting into lots of older sci-fi stuff as of late (the old X Minus One serials, Jules Verne, some older sci-fi anthologies I own
from the 70s and 80s (Machines That Think, edited by Isaac Asimov is
what got me into sci-fi!), but I'm itching for more good stuff. I do
have an older copy of the Foundation Trilogy I've been meaning to try
but I'm wondering if there's any other good sci-fi of the 50s-60s I should keep an eye out for (I have half a mind to look for more sci-fi pulp magazines, lol).

I have always considered the Foundation Trilogy to be the "gold
standard" of science fiction. Doesn't get any better. Read that first.
Be advised that there are 3-4 "sequel" books to that trilogy, that are
pretty much garbage. Stick with the original three.

On the same note, I've completely neglected Fantasy. I have yet to find ANY fantasy novels I like. A penpal sent me some ebooks of authors like Anne McCaffery, Brandon Sanderson, E.E. Knight, etc. I had already had some interest--having read some older short stories by Robert E. Howard (I'd love some recommendationso f those if you have any). But I'm
mainly interested getting my hands on anything decent fantasy wise that isn't anime or Skyrim, lol.

If anyone has any recommendations of either, I'm dying to know!

Well, again the "gold standard" (IMHO) of this genre is The Lord of the
Rings. Three books, doesn't get any better. Oh - there is a "prequel"
to these three called "The Hobbit", which should DEFINITELY be read
first.

That should keep you busy for a little while. ;-)



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Foriest Jan Smith wrote to All <=-

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I've been getting into lots of older sci-fi stuff as of late (the old X Minus One serials, Jules Verne, some older sci-fi anthologies I own
from the 70s and 80s (Machines That Think, edited by Isaac Asimov is
what got me into sci-fi!), but I'm itching for more good stuff. I do
have an older copy of the Foundation Trilogy I've been meaning to try
but I'm wondering if there's any other good sci-fi of the 50s-60s I should keep an eye out for (I have half a mind to look for more sci-fi pulp magazines, lol).

On the same note, I've completely neglected Fantasy. I have yet to find ANY fantasy novels I like. A penpal sent me some ebooks of authors like Anne McCaffery, Brandon Sanderson, E.E. Knight, etc. I had already had some interest--having read some older short stories by Robert E. Howard (I'd love some recommendationso f those if you have any). But I'm
mainly interested getting my hands on anything decent fantasy wise that isn't anime or Skyrim, lol.

If anyone has any recommendations of either, I'm dying to know!

Have you read much Arthur C Clarke? He probably is my favourite Sci
Fi Author. I'm sure you've also read Dune?

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Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?
By: Gamgee to Foriest Jan Smith on Thu May 08 2025 08:40 am

Well, again the "gold standard" (IMHO) of this genre is The Lord of the Rings. Three books, doesn't get any better. Oh - there is a "prequel" to these three called "The Hobbit", which should DEFINITELY be read first.

When I was a kid, I'd heard of The Hobbit, but I'd never heard of Lord of the Rings until the movies came out.. I tried to watch them but found myself a bit bored with them. The genre isn't really my thing.

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Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?
By: Gamgee to Foriest Jan Smith on Thu May 08 2025 08:40 am

Well, again the "gold standard" (IMHO) of this genre is The Lord of the Rings. Three books, doesn't get any better. Oh - there is a "prequel" to these three called "The Hobbit", which should DEFINITELY be read first.

When I was a kid, I'd heard of The Hobbit, but I'd never heard of Lord
of the Rings until the movies came out.. I tried to watch them but
found myself a bit bored with them. The genre isn't really my thing.

I think the movies would be better for you if you had read the books
first. This is true for many movies, of course, but maybe especially
for this collection due to the large number of places and characters.
It helps to know something of the story before trying to understand the movies, which leave out a lot of details.

But I also understand that this genre isn't for everybody.



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Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?
By: Gamgee to Foriest Jan Smith on Thu May 08 2025 08:40:37

I have always considered the Foundation Trilogy to be the "gold
standard" of science fiction. Doesn't get any better. Read that first.
Be advised that there are 3-4 "sequel" books to that trilogy, that are pretty much garbage. Stick with the original three.

Oh, ok. I have a copy from the 50s/60s which has those first three books, I think. "Foundation, Foundation & Empire, & Second Foundation" or all it lists.

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Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
By: Boraxman to Foriest Jan Smith on Thu May 08 2025 20:26:00

Have you read much Arthur C Clarke? He probably is my favourite Sci
Fi Author. I'm sure you've also read Dune?

No, but I believe I've either read a few of his short stories or heard them on X Minus One. I've very much so been meaning to read Dune (after I eventually start on the Metro series!).

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Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Thu May 08 2025 14:39:46

I think the movies would be better for you if you had read the books
first. This is true for many movies, of course, but maybe especially
for this collection due to the large number of places and characters.
It helps to know something of the story before trying to understand the movies, which leave out a lot of details.

If it means anything, I read The Hobbit in high school, and played a demo of one of the LEGO Lord of The Rings games :P (I'm joking, the latter doesn't count)

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Foriest Jan Smith wrote to All <=-

I've been getting into lots of older sci-fi stuff as of late (the old X Minus One serials, Jules Verne, some older sci-fi anthologies I own
from the 70s and 80s (Machines That Think, edited by Isaac Asimov is
what got me into sci-fi!), but I'm itching for more good stuff. I do
have an older copy of the Foundation Trilogy I've been meaning to try
but I'm wondering if there's any other good sci-fi of the 50s-60s I should keep an eye out for (I have half a mind to look for more sci-fi pulp magazines, lol).

I have always considered the Foundation Trilogy to be the "gold
standard" of science fiction. Doesn't get any better. Read that
first. Be advised that there are 3-4 "sequel" books to that trilogy,
that are pretty much garbage. Stick with the original three.

I only know of two sequel books, and a prequel or two. I've read two of the sequels, Foundations Edge and Foundation and Earth. There is a distinctly different tone and atmosphere, and both follow a different story arc, with the second continuing from the first. I think pretty much every other Asimov book or story I've read, I rate higher than these two. I have one of the prequels which I found at a second hand bookstore and got out of curiosity, but my expectations are low.

On the same note, I've completely neglected Fantasy. I have yet to find ANY fantasy novels I like. A penpal sent me some ebooks of authors like Anne McCaffery, Brandon Sanderson, E.E. Knight, etc. I had already had some interest--having read some older short stories by Robert E. Howard (I'd love some recommendationso f those if you have any). But I'm
mainly interested getting my hands on anything decent fantasy wise that isn't anime or Skyrim, lol.

If anyone has any recommendations of either, I'm dying to know!

Well, again the "gold standard" (IMHO) of this genre is The Lord of the Rings. Three books, doesn't get any better. Oh - there is a "prequel"
to these three called "The Hobbit", which should DEFINITELY be read
first.

That should keep you busy for a little while. ;-)

My uncle lent me Lord of the Rings when I was 9 or so. He was quite the Tolkein
fan, but as far as I know, not into fantasy, just Tolkein. I had already read the Hobbit by then, and quite enjoyed it, but the size of Lord of the Rings was daunting and the pace slower. It sat on the back burner and I didn't read it until much later in life. It IS the gold standard of fantasy, and set the template for many other fantasy works later. Tolkein was to fantasy what iD Software was to First Person Shooters, but to be honest, that may be UNDER stating it.




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Hello Foriest Jan Smith!

** On Thursday 08.05.25 - 02:14, Foriest Jan Smith wrote to All:

I've been getting into lots of older sci-fi stuff as of late (the old X Minus One serials, Jules Verne, some older sci-fi anthologies I own from the 70s and 80s (Machines That Think, edited by Isaac Asimov is what got me into sci-fi!), but I'm itching for more good stuff...

Dune [trilogy], by Herbert. The later stories are ok, but the
meat of the adventure is in the 1st three.

Brave New World, by Huxley.

Ringworld, by Niven.

On the same note, I've completely neglected Fantasy. I have yet to find ANY fantasy novels I like....

First Law Trilogy, by Joe Abercrombie

Kingkiller Chronicles (two books), by Patrick Rothfuss. The events in each book spans one day.

The Gentleman Bastard series, by Scott Lynch. 1 = The Lies of
Locke Lamora, 2 = Red Seas Under Red Skies, 3 = The Republic
of Thieves



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Quoting Boraxman to Foriest Jan Smith <=-

If anyone has any recommendations of either, I'm dying to know!

Have you read much Arthur C Clarke? He probably is my favourite Sci
Fi Author. I'm sure you've also read Dune?

One of my favorites from Clarke is Rendezvous with Rama and it's
sequels. Fascinating writing! Suspenseful SciFi (JMO).

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Quoting Nightfox to Gamgee <=-

Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?

Well, again the "gold standard" (IMHO) of this genre is The Lord of the Rings. Three books, doesn't get any better. Oh - there is a "prequel" to these three called "The Hobbit", which should DEFINITELY be read first.

When I was a kid, I'd heard of The Hobbit, but I'd never heard of Lord
of the Rings until the movies came out.. I tried to watch them but
found myself a bit bored with them. The genre isn't really my thing. Nightfox

I read the hobbit during my high school years and was fascinated by it.
I did eventually read the whole series and was never dissapointed. The
movies leave quite a lot out of the story, but there's no way movies
can replace your imagination while reading a book. This is not a
detriment to the craft, just a case of comparing your mind's eye to a
movie directors vision. As you mentioned you may have gotten bored with
them, they didn't include what makes them fascinating to readers.

Movies last for a an hour or two, the books took me (as a teenager)
many days to read and enjoy.

Cougar

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Quoting Boraxman to Gamgee <=-

Well, again the "gold standard" (IMHO) of this genre is The Lord of the Rings. Three books, doesn't get any better. Oh - there is a "prequel"
to these three called "The Hobbit", which should DEFINITELY be read
first.

That should keep you busy for a little while. ;-)

My uncle lent me Lord of the Rings when I was 9 or so. He was quite
the Tolkein
fan, but as far as I know, not into fantasy, just Tolkein. I had
already read the Hobbit by then, and quite enjoyed it, but the size of Lord of the Rings was daunting and the pace slower. It sat on the back burner and I didn't read it until much later in life. It IS the gold standard of fantasy, and set the template for many other fantasy works later. Tolkein was to fantasy what iD Software was to First Person Shooters, but to be honest, that may be UNDER stating it.

Long live iD! I loved most all of their games, everything they did was
gold for me. Simple enjoyment...

Cougar

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Foriest Jan Smith wrote to Gamgee <=-

Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?
By: Gamgee to Foriest Jan Smith on Thu May 08 2025 08:40:37

I have always considered the Foundation Trilogy to be the "gold
standard" of science fiction. Doesn't get any better. Read that first.
Be advised that there are 3-4 "sequel" books to that trilogy, that are pretty much garbage. Stick with the original three.

Oh, ok. I have a copy from the 50s/60s which has those first three
books, I think. "Foundation, Foundation & Empire, & Second Foundation"
or all it lists.

Yep, that's the original trilogy. Great stuff.



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Foriest Jan Smith wrote to Gamgee <=-

Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Thu May 08 2025 14:39:46

I think the movies would be better for you if you had read the books
first. This is true for many movies, of course, but maybe especially
for this collection due to the large number of places and characters.
It helps to know something of the story before trying to understand the movies, which leave out a lot of details.

If it means anything, I read The Hobbit in high school, and played a
demo of one of the LEGO Lord of The Rings games :P (I'm joking, the latter doesn't count)

Haha, yep OK. Assuming high school was a while ago, probably good to
read The Hobbit again before starting the Lord of the Rings trilogy.



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Boraxman wrote to Gamgee <=-

Gamgee wrote to Foriest Jan Smith <=-

I've been getting into lots of older sci-fi stuff as of late (the old X Minus One serials, Jules Verne, some older sci-fi anthologies I own
from the 70s and 80s (Machines That Think, edited by Isaac Asimov is
what got me into sci-fi!), but I'm itching for more good stuff. I do
have an older copy of the Foundation Trilogy I've been meaning to try
but I'm wondering if there's any other good sci-fi of the 50s-60s I should keep an eye out for (I have half a mind to look for more sci-fi pulp magazines, lol).

I have always considered the Foundation Trilogy to be the "gold
standard" of science fiction. Doesn't get any better. Read that
first. Be advised that there are 3-4 "sequel" books to that trilogy,
that are pretty much garbage. Stick with the original three.

I only know of two sequel books, and a prequel or two. I've read two
of the sequels, Foundations Edge and Foundation and Earth. There is a distinctly different tone and atmosphere, and both follow a different story arc, with the second continuing from the first. I think pretty
much every other Asimov book or story I've read, I rate higher than
these two. I have one of the prequels which I found at a second hand bookstore and got out of curiosity, but my expectations are low.

Yes, that is correct now that I think about it. I grouped the
additional books all as "sequels", but you're right - some were
"prequels". All of them were disappointing, at least to me.

On the same note, I've completely neglected Fantasy. I have yet to find ANY fantasy novels I like. A penpal sent me some ebooks of authors like Anne McCaffery, Brandon Sanderson, E.E. Knight, etc. I had already had some interest--having read some older short stories by Robert E. Howard (I'd love some recommendationso f those if you have any). But I'm
mainly interested getting my hands on anything decent fantasy wise that isn't anime or Skyrim, lol.

If anyone has any recommendations of either, I'm dying to know!

Well, again the "gold standard" (IMHO) of this genre is The Lord of the Rings. Three books, doesn't get any better. Oh - there is a "prequel"
to these three called "The Hobbit", which should DEFINITELY be read
first.

That should keep you busy for a little while. ;-)

My uncle lent me Lord of the Rings when I was 9 or so. He was quite
the Tolkein
fan, but as far as I know, not into fantasy, just Tolkein. I had
already read the Hobbit by then, and quite enjoyed it, but the size of Lord of the Rings was daunting and the pace slower. It sat on the back burner and I didn't read it until much later in life.

You're not the only person who has done those books in that way. ;-)

It IS the gold
standard of fantasy, and set the template for many other fantasy works later. Tolkein was to fantasy what iD Software was to First Person Shooters, but to be honest, that may be UNDER stating it.

As a former ID Software addict, I am 100% in agreement; and great
analogy! ;-)



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Foriest Jan Smith wrote to All <=-

I've been getting into lots of older sci-fi stuff as of late (the old X

One of my favorites is Thrice Upon a Time by James P. Hogan.


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Nightfox wrote to Gamgee <=-

Re: Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?
By: Gamgee to Foriest Jan Smith on Thu May 08 2025 08:40 am

When I was a kid, I'd heard of The Hobbit, but I'd never heard of Lord
of the Rings until the movies came out.. I tried to watch them but
found myself a bit bored with them. The genre isn't really my thing.

I tried to read them when I was a teen ager. My friends were reading
them and I tried, but couldn't get into them. I was busy reading
sci-fi and mainly time travel.

A few years ago I watched the movies though - WOW!!!


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Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-

I think the movies would be better for you if you had read the books first. This is true for many movies, of course, but maybe especially
for this collection due to the large number of places and characters.
It helps to know something of the story before trying to understand the movies, which leave out a lot of details.

I haven't read the books, and LOVE the movies!


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Foriest Jan Smith wrote to Boraxman <=-

Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
By: Boraxman to Foriest Jan Smith on Thu May 08 2025 20:26:00

Have you read much Arthur C Clarke? He probably is my favourite Sci
Fi Author. I'm sure you've also read Dune?

No, but I believe I've either read a few of his short stories or heard them on X Minus One. I've very much so been meaning to read Dune (after
I eventually start on the Metro series!).

Old Heinlein is good, he's definitely got some odd personal perspectives
that he extrapolates into the future. Starship Troopers was a wonderful military science fiction story.

Frederick Pohl wrote a series around a future where mankind finds an
alien space station with lots of docked shuttles. People take the
shuttles out and either die horrible deaths or become wealthy if they
bring back scientific finds. Did I mention that they don't know how to
operate the shuttles and are making instructions up as they go along?

The second and third books delve into who made the shuttles and why they
went into hiding.

There's a series of books called the Science Fiction Hall of Fame

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Science_Fiction_Hall_of_Fame,_Volume_One,_1929%E2%80%931964

has a great selection of short stories from SF authors from 1929 to
1964. There's a followup with novellas as well.


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Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
By: Boraxman to Foriest Jan Smith
on Thu May 08 2025 20:26:00

Have you read much Arthur C Clarke? He probably is my favourite Sci
Fi Author. I'm sure you've also read Dune?

No, but I believe I've either read a few of his short stories or heard them on X Minus One. I've very much so been meaning to read Dune (after
I eventually start on the Metro series!).

I read the book AFTER watching the 1984 movie, though admittedly I was
still under 10 when I did watch the movie on TV.

I would recommend not watching any further Dune movies until you go
through the book.

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Hello Foriest Jan Smith!

** On Thursday 08.05.25 - 02:14, Foriest Jan Smith wrote to All:

I've been getting into lots of older sci-fi stuff as of late (the old X Minus One serials, Jules Verne, some older sci-fi anthologies I own from the 70s and 80s (Machines That Think, edited by Isaac Asimov is what got me into sci-fi!), but I'm itching for more good stuff...

Dune [trilogy], by Herbert. The later stories are ok, but the
meat of the adventure is in the 1st three.

Brave New World, by Huxley.

Ringworld, by Niven.

*snip*

Did you read any or the Ringworld sequels? I read the next one in the
series, Ringworld Engineers. After that, not sure if its worthwhile
to continue on.

A great book, by Niven and Pournelle is "The Mote in God's Eye". This
was quite thought provoking and raised questions about how our
behaviour, our instincts doom us, make us resigned to a paricular
fate.

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Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-
By: Boraxman to Foriest Jan Smith
on Thu May 08 2025 20:26:00

Have you read much Arthur C Clarke? He probably is my favourite Sci
Fi Author. I'm sure you've also read Dune?

No, but I believe I've either read a few of his short stories or heard them on X Minus One. I've very much so been meaning to read Dune (after
I eventually start on the Metro series!).

Some of his longer works are based on short stories.

I think Rendezvouz with Rama is a classic, as is Childhoods End. If
you're only going to read one or two, these probably should be it.

The "Oddysey" series were my introduction to Clarke.

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Boraxman wrote to Gamgee <=-

My uncle lent me Lord of the Rings when I was 9 or so. He was quite
the Tolkein
fan, but as far as I know, not into fantasy, just Tolkein. I had
already read the Hobbit by then, and quite enjoyed it, but the size of Lord of the Rings was daunting and the pace slower. It sat on the back burner and I didn't read it until much later in life. It IS the gold standard of fantasy, and set the template for many other fantasy works later. Tolkein was to fantasy what iD Software was to First Person Shooters, but to be honest, that may be UNDER stating it.

I know the 'races' from D&D were pulled basically from Tolkein, so he influenced the early RPG scene too!



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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Foriest Jan Smith <=-

There's a series of books called the Science Fiction Hall of Fame

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Science_Fiction_Hall_of_Fame,_Volume_O ne,_1929%E2%80%931964

has a great selection of short stories from SF authors from 1929 to
1964. There's a followup with novellas as well.

I have read those! And I used to get 'the year's greatest science fiction'
or whatever the actual name way. Once I got too old, it stopped being
original enough for me. :-)



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Re: Good Older Fantasy & Sci-Fi Recommendations?
By: Ogg to Foriest Jan Smith on Thu May 08 2025 08:44 pm

Dune [trilogy], by Herbert. The later stories are ok, but the
meat of the adventure is in the 1st three.

dune tattoo here on my bicep. anyways, those books get really really
weird and convoluted.

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