Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Thu Apr 17 2025 13:00:22

Same here (and I think it was spelled as Netscape, with lowercase 's').

<Psssst>...Careful, online folk hate it when you correct their spelling/grammar. Trust me, I know. ;)

The formal name was Netscape Navigator. They later dropped the Navigator part.

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Re: Browsers
By: Mortar to Nightfox on Fri Apr 18 2025 10:42 am

The formal name was Netscape Navigator. They later dropped the Navigator part.

I remember. And sometimes I referred to it as "Nutscrape Masturbator"... :P

Nightfox

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Re: Browsers
By: Mortar to Nightfox on Fri Apr 18 2025 10:42 am

The formal name was Netscape Navigator. They later dropped the Navigator part.

I remember. And sometimes I referred to it as "Nutscrape
Masturbator"... :P

About the same time that people called it "Internet exploder"

Netscape came in two flavors - Navigator and Communicator. Communicator included a mail client, NNTP client, IRC client and a couple of other
tools - HTML editor and calendar, if memory serves.

I built an entire corporate infrastructure on it - sent out distribution
lists via text updates, created an NNTP server for company
collaboration, like a Yammer/Viva Engage setup, and used IRC for a
company chat platform. All tied into Palm Pilots with a program called PocketMirror that synched everything to your Palm. It was pretty cool,
and all totally cheap for a pre-funding startup.

Nowadays, you'd just get google workspace and call it a day. But that's
nowhere near as fun. :)



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Re: Re: Browsers
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Apr 19 2025 04:47 pm

The formal name was Netscape Navigator. They later dropped the Navigator
part.

I remember. And sometimes I referred to it as "Nutscrape Masturbator"...
:P

About the same time that people called it "Internet exploder"

That was MS Internet Explorer.

Netscape came in two flavors - Navigator and Communicator. Communicator included a mail client, NNTP client, IRC client and a couple of other tools - HTML editor and calendar, if memory serves.

I built an entire corporate infrastructure on it - sent out distribution lists via text updates, created an NNTP server for company collaboration, like a Yammer/Viva Engage setup, and used IRC for a company chat platform. All tied into Palm Pilots with a program called PocketMirror that synched everything to your Palm. It was pretty cool, and all totally cheap for a pre-funding startup.

I remember Netscape Communicator. I had it installed for a little while, though I didn't really use it much. I tried its web designer, though I still preferred to hand-code my HTML pages at the time, since its web designer added a lot of bloat. And the Communicator browser seemed basically the same as Netscape Navigator.

Nowadays, you'd just get google workspace and call it a day. But that's nowhere near as fun. :)

I haven't heard of Google Workspace.. I'll have to look into it. And for the past several years, the main web browser I've been using is Vivaldi - It's a very customizable browser, and I like it.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Browsers
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Apr 19 2025 04:47 pm

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Re: Browsers
By: Mortar to Nightfox on Fri Apr 18 2025 10:42 am

The formal name was Netscape Navigator. They later dropped the Navigat part.

I remember. And sometimes I referred to it as "Nutscrape Masturbator"... :P

About the same time that people called it "Internet exploder"

Netscape came in two flavors - Navigator and Communicator. Communicator included a mail client, NNTP client, IRC client and a couple of other
tools - HTML editor and calendar, if memory serves.

I built an entire corporate infrastructure on it - sent out distribution lists via text updates, created an NNTP server for company
collaboration, like a Yammer/Viva Engage setup, and used IRC for a
company chat platform. All tied into Palm Pilots with a program called PocketMirror that synched everything to your Palm. It was pretty cool,
and all totally cheap for a pre-funding startup.

Nowadays, you'd just get google workspace and call it a day. But that's nowhere near as fun. :)

What client did people use to acess the NNTP server? Just a newsreader, or was there a web frontend?

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Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

What client did people use to acess the NNTP server? Just a
newsreader, or was there a web frontend?

Communicator had a newsreader back then - so did Outlook Express, and
plain ol' Outlook, too. NNTP did 90% of what people use corporate social networks and microblogs for these days.





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What client did people use to acess the NNTP server? Just a
newsreader, or was there a web frontend?

Communicator had a newsreader back then - so did Outlook Express, and plain ol' Outlook, too. NNTP did 90% of what people use corporate
social networks and microblogs for these days.

NNTP's weakness is authentication, or more specifically how identity is presented. But you are right, its quite a good option for central messaging if you can control that aspect of it. The company I work for uses Teams, which is AWFUL, as well as WeChat, which is just chat. Otherwise, its all done by email groups, which are a mess. Group emails by CC'ing in everyone is just a headache. Before that it was some Microsoft Web based system, which also sucked.

Its weird how people keep trying to reinvent the same thing over and over. Technologies which solve problems alread exist, but whoever is in IT, making decisions or proposals simply isn't aware of what current technology can do, and
looks at the next marketed fad and tries that. So, so often at work I have to do things in a hamfisted and awkward way, which could be much, much better, using tools which have already existed for decades, and are FREE!


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Re: Re: Browsers
By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Apr 22 2025 08:38 am

Its weird how people keep trying to reinvent the same thing over and over. Technologies which solve problems alread exist, but whoever is in IT, making decisions or proposals simply isn't aware of what current technology can do,

You said a mouthful there. I think they do it to say they invented something new and get a paycheck for it.

In the PLC/HMI world where I live, this has been going on for decades now. I recently has a conversation with a young engineer where he told me he was working on a way to collect data from a printing press. I didn't have the heart to tell him I was doing that in the 80's.

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Quoting Bf2k+ to Boraxman <=-

You said a mouthful there. I think they do it to say they invented something new and get a paycheck for it.
In the PLC/HMI world where I live, this has been going on for decades
now. I recently has a conversation with a young engineer where he told
me he was working on a way to collect data from a printing press. I didn't have the heart to tell him I was doing that in the 80's.

What's old is new again! If we fail to remember the past, we are doomed
to repeat it. Or in this case try to remake it.

B^)


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Re: Re: Browsers
By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Apr 20 2025 06:53 pm

What client did people use to acess the NNTP server? Just a newsreader, or was there

I think i used a web browser and just entered Newgroup://alt.whatever? never used a third party program

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Re: Re: Browsers
By: Bogomips to Boraxman on Fri May 02 2025 07:24 am

I think i used a web browser and just entered Newgroup://alt.whatever? never used a third party program

Netscape Communicator would handle those URLs - it had a news client, chat client email and HTML composer all in one.

There's a modern-ish program called Mozilla Seamonkey that was designed to look/feel like Netscape Communicator, unfortunately it doesn't run on my BBS box.

It was a cool idea in the late '90s. I used to set up an office with a Linux box running internal IRC and NNTP servers, along with IMAP/SMTP, and people would use Communicator as groupware. Worked pretty well, and was all free.

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Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
By: poindexter FORTRAN to phigan on Fri May 02 2025 15:03:07

...should I get rid of cable and go with AT&T Fiber.

I'd first check and see if there were any alternative providers. Probably save some bucks. 'Sides, "T&T" is part of their name, so something's gonna blow up, like their rates.

Also, have you ever thought about ditching cable TV altogether? Really, is there anything you watch on regular TV now that couldn't be watched online? Of course, you wanna keep the Net connection, which will save you a few bucks a month.

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Re: Ditching Cable
By: Mortar to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 04 2025 11:57 am

Also, have you ever thought about ditching cable TV altogether? Really, is there anything you watch on regular TV now that couldn't be watched online? Of course, you wanna keep the Net connection, which will save you a few bucks a month.

I don't think it's always just cable vs. online streaming. There are TV shows on over-the-air broadcast TV I watch sometimes, and I think some of it is hard to find on streaming services. One TV show I like to watch is Jeopardy, and I'm not sure if there's a streaming service that plays each new daily episode.

There are a couple other game shows I like to watch sometimes, such as Beat Shazam (music game show) and Family Feud. Similarly, I'm not sure of a streaming service that has each new daily episode.

There's also a local channel in my area that has Whose Line Is It Anyway? And there's a new season that started up in September 2024.

And of course, broadcast TV is free. It seems like broadcast TV is generally ignored by a lot of people these days, and I'm not sure why. Maybe a lot of people don't like commercials - but there are commercials on cable TV as well, and even on some streaming services. I have a DVR, so I can record the over-the-air TV shows and skip commercials if I want to. IMO, you can't beat free content. However, sometimes the over-the-air signal reception sometimes isn't great (and it seems random), which can be an issue. Much of the time, the signal is good, but occasionally the signal is bad and the recording of the show ends up looking scrambled - sometimes it's bad enough for the recording to be unwatchable, unfortunately.

Nightfox

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Re: Ditching Cable
By: Mortar to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 04 2025 11:57 am

...should I get rid of cable and go with AT&T Fiber.

I ditched cable last year and went fiber, Now I stream stuff.
I save $90 a month roughly and the intenet is way better, 1g up and down.

... A man walked into a library and said: "I hope you don't have a book on reverse psychology."

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Mortar wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Also, have you ever thought about ditching cable TV altogether?
Really, is there anything you watch on regular TV now that couldn't be watched online? Of course, you wanna keep the Net connection, which
will save you a few bucks a month.

I can't find a good solution for local news, surprisingly. I only get
one channel with an HDTV antenna, have been wanting to try IPTV but
haven't had the time to play with it.



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Re: Ditching Cable
By: Mortar to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun May 04 2025 11:57 am

...should I get rid of cable and go with AT&T Fiber.

I ditched cable last year and went fiber, Now I stream stuff.
I save $90 a month roughly and the intenet is way better, 1g up and
down.

Yeahbut.... what about the channels you can no longer watch. Discovery, History, *many* sporting events, local news.... etc.



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Re: Ditching Cable
By: Denn to Mortar on Sun May 04 2025 09:17 pm

... A man walked into a library and said: "I hope you don't have a book on reverse psychology."

"I went into a book store and went to the help desk and said: I'm looking for a book called How To Handle Rejection Without Killing.... do you have it?" - Stewart Francis

Nightfox

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